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How you came to think Ephesians 1:5 teaches that predestination happens after conversion is unfathomable. The syntax of that verse and the surrounding context make that utterly untenable you say that God foreknows and predestinate us to adoption after we believe. But Romans 8:28-30 puts...

you still have not presented anything that supports your view of election and predestination.

I don’t believe in deliberately, carelessly, willfully, and callously living in sin because I can get away with it. I believe in walking in the Spirit and putting to death the deeds of the flesh. But I put zero confidence in my works to save me. Christ is the ONE and ONLY Saviour.

I know He has a mind. Let’s start there. Romans 11:34 1 Corinthians 2:16 I know that He has knowledge. I know He has Omniscience. Psalm 139:1-6 Acts 15:18 1 John 3:20 Declares the end from the beginning Isaiah 46:10 So to say He doesn’t foreknow us until we believe is to deny all the...

I didnt day of those things, except mind of God. Do you not think that God has a mind? You mean like electricity doesn’t have a mind? Impersonal God? What are you arguing for?

I agree with most of that, (except I would say that the blood and His death were both part of the propitiation, for He needed to taste death for every man.) But the resurrection demonstrated the acceptance by the Father of His sacrifice, and also we have Jesus’ present ministry as Advocate and...

here I must say it is both the death of Christ and His risen and ascended life that saves. (Romans 5:9-10)

The writings of Paul are not mere philosophy.

If we were saved based on command keeping we would all perish. We are justified by faith in Christ, and then we obey Him in love. The Law says “ the one who performs will live”. The Gospel says “ the one who believes will be saved” I don’t want to be saved by anything but the righteousness...

Yes, God does not foreknow, elect, or predestinate, the reprobate. Those words are only used of believers. Defining terms. A reprobate is one who dies in their sins having never received Jesus.

I never said He foreknew the non elect. That would contradict Romans 8:29-30 And you are confusing knowledge and foreknowledge again.

If you believe that God does not foreknow us until we believe, then you limit His knowledge. Think about it.

You mean to say you don’t believe faith in Christ saves?

Foreknowledge is the capacity to know something or someone before it happens or exists. You hold that God does not have foreknowledge of us until we believe. Therefore, in your view, God does not know if we will believe until we believe.

Fore- before Knowledge-noun form of the verb know. the ability to know before. Pretty elementary, if you ask me.

Faith doesn’t save?

I didn’t say seperated from eternity past I countered your claim that being chosen never happens before conversion. Paul was chosen from his mother’s womb, as was John Baptist, Samson, etc. But here’s the thing. Do you have a mutable God who doesn’t know who He’s going to choose until a...

I think repentance is a response of the heart to the convicting ministry of the Holy Spirit and it is part of saving faith.

That is the scriptural answer. We don’t go beyond scripture, do we?

Yes. You said election always refers to calling and purpose and NEVER happens before one’s conversion. You also said no one is adopted or predestinated until after conversion.