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Not quite. The death burial and resurrection was predestined as well. ;)

Yeshua is fine.

Being predestined IS being given grace, is it not?

Post of the day right there!

So Colossians was only written to Jews? Colossians 3:12

Anyways, the point is not what that means, which we can debate all night. The point is the WAY THAT PAUL USED THE PHRASE IN CHRIST in that passage. Did you forget what I said? How is Paul using the phrase “ in Christ” in 2 Timothy 1:9? Not our position right? So your chief argument against...

Predestined before time. Realized in time.

Predestined before time. Actuated in time.

Yep. That’s what 2 Timothy 1:9 says, champ. Grace given us before the world began.

It was given in eternity (predestinated) Verse 9 and realized/ actuated in time. (salvation) verse 10. Fits my view as well.

The “in Christ” in these passages is not talking about us. It is telling us something about the verb, the action performed by God. In Ephesians 1:3-4; Ephesians 3:11, and 2 Timothy 1:9, it is not talking about our position, but rather it is saying something about the verbs. Blessed (us) in...

Grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began. But wait..,we weren’t in Christ then. DOESNT MATTER because that’s not what Paul is saying. Please see the use of “ in Christ” in Ephesians 3:11.

“In Christ” has basically the same meaning in Eph. 1:4 that it has in Ephesians 3:11. He purposed in Christ. He chose in Christ. It’s not talking about our position in these texts.

Please see Paul’s use of the phrase “ in Christ” in 2 Timothy 1:9

When? (Ephesians 1:3-5).

It says to whom God did this, He also did this. In other words, those God foreknew, He predestinated. And those He predestinated, He called and those He called He justified, and those He justified, He glorified. They’re all connected. And they are all inseparable realities for those who are...

Nowhere does the Bible teach that God’s foreknowledge and predestination begins in time.

Even if it’s not a chronological order, it’s the same conclusion. Predestination is based on foreknowledge. Calling results in justification. And the end result is glorification. It’s put in the order it’s in for a reason. Paul is not a haphazard writer.

I’ve already answered you on this in the affirmative several times.

Correct. And A. this occurred before the foundation of the world. Ephesians 1:4-5, 2 Timothy 1:9. B. God knew from all eternity who would believe and elected and predestined them accordingly. (Foreknowledge. 1 Peter 1:1-2: Romans 8:28-30).