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    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    I picture in my mind the rediculousness of the following scenario: John the apostle is very old. There is a line of people needing and seeking healing as far as the eye can see. Two younger men are behind John, holding him up. As another in the line steps forward, they grab John's arm and lay...
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    Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?

    I thought Paul wrote, "and such were some of you" or something close. I disagree with you. Anyone born again is "the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus" so NO LONGER "a sinner." Let's see ourselves as GOD sees us.
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    Speak Your Mind.

    Why to people imagine they have a right to rearrange Revelation to fit some theory? Do they rearrange the rest of scripture? I think not. I have a novel idea: why not form theory from Revelation as written; then there would be no need to rearrange! ;-)
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    You understand the opening of the seals and the 7 trumpets are not the same events? it's a progressive narrative. The church has gone when the trumpets are being blown, they are in heaven dressed in white "these are they who have come out of great tribulation" Brilliant! Absolutely brilliant...
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    Evmur, I think you are reading 2 Thes. 2 wrong, not understanding Paul's meaning. You did not answer my question: in the 3rd verse, is the man of sin revealed, or is he not in Paul's argument? Anyway, you are disagreeing with Paul as to what comes "first." Go back and read it again.
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    When God had John write Revelation, He had one intent for each verse - not two or more. Our goal should be to discover His intent - not worry about "was this theory invented by someone 200 years ago. I could say the same thing for Paul's writings. As for dispensations - ask yourself: are we...
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    Who is the beast that was and is not?

    7 Continents? No, neither Greece nor Rome covered that much ground.
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    Who is the beast that was and is not?

    I think I agree: the 7 nation empire of the Beast will remain through the last half of the week. I don't disagree with this. But one head receives a deadly wound. I personally think it could be Iraq. That nation certainly received a deadly wound, and the king killed.
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    Classic effort of a beginner in these things: find similar words in different passages so they MUST be speaking of the same thing. NOT! It is IMPOSSIBLE that the 6th seal is timed with anything after the seals. Why? Because the seals are sealing a book that CONTAINS much of what we read in...
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    You will learn, eventually, that the seals are NOT INCLUDED in the 70th week. It begins with the 7th and final seal.
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    Sorry, but you are mistaken yet again. God is STILL ANGRY at the same time Satan is venting His wrath. When Satan's wrath is at its peak, and people are being beheaded around the world, God will pour out the vials of HIS WRATH to shorten those days of GT. So the bible shows us God's wrath and...
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    Readers take note that GOD starts wrath in chapter 6 of Revelation with the start of the DAY of His wrath, but God shows Jesus' coming in chapter 19! Nothing like trying to rearrange John's God given chronology! However, it is very likely that Jesus has wrath at the battle of Armageddon. But...
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    You did make me laugh. I agree: to many underlines, parenthesis, brackets running together makes things difficult. However, you wrote this: The FIRST group of God's judgment are the seals, Sorry, but the seals are not judgments - not until seal 6 where judgment begins. SEal 1: the church...
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    If you are on a public forum, you should know all these verses almost by heart. Go back and look in 1 Thes 5: look for this phrase "get to live together with Him." That is just another way of saying, "so shall we every be with the Lord" from chapter 5. This is proof Paul is still on the...
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    I see you don't understand the Seals in Revelation 6. Ha ha! So funny. But very consistent from someone who thinks they know, when in truth they don't. losely note in Matthew 24:29-30 is what is described in Seal 6: Wow! The classic error of posttribbers. Have you not studied these things in...
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    Ha ha ha ha ! I hope you are kidding me. OF COURSE He comes first, then there is a shout and a trumpet...and then the dead in Christ are caught up. But WHEN? People look in all the wrong places for WHEN. Paul is the only one that gives us WHEN for this event: just before wrath.
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    -which ["FIRST SEAL" /] "INITIAL birth PANG Sorry, but you are mistaken on the first seal. It seems you have ignored the CONTEXT of the first seal. I began to meditate on chapters 4 & 5. Finally I got stuck in John weeping much, and I could not get away from that. I began to bug God about...
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    Why do you believe that? He comes to Armageddon with fire. Is there a verse somewhere that shows fire in His coming to the clouds?
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    By all accounts Jesus returns after the tribulation, Sorry, this is simply not truth. By Paul's account of Jesus coming to the air, it is an account, and it is not after the tribulation. Rather it is before wrath. These are two different times separate by over 7 years. not before the...
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    These all could just as well apply to when "every eye will see Him..."