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So not scripture is only an assumption. Why not rather just believe what is written? 19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God: [This shows WHERE] 7 Let us be glad and...

In truth, the pretrib rapture was penned by Paul and is found in scripture. What you said is like saying "salvation by grace" is a false teaching created by Martin Luther. No, it really was created by Paul, but was lost to men during the dark ages.

The truth may well be that posttribbers are banging their heads against walls screaming, "why am I left behind" after the pretrib rapture has caught up all those that believe in it.

There is no such thing as a post-trib rapture, or a prewrath rapture found in scripture, no place.

The truth is, you just can't find it, while untold millions of believers around the world can and have found it.

Did you not understand what happened at the 7th trumpet? Did you fail to understand that Satan was kicked off His throne as god of this world, and the kingdoms of this world were given to JESUS? Did you not read? Revelation 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and...

Any theory that must rearrange John's God given chronology will be proven wrong. Don't take my word for it, go back and check: the marriage is OVER in heaven before Jesus descends to Armageddon.

You asked some good questions! ;-)

I will explain why both are in error as time allows.

Why would ANYONE try to determine doctrine in a few lines of text when we have the same thing written in chapters of text? We should form doctrine by the most complete coverage of a subject first, then fill in missing pieces from other texts. For example, that is one verse in Daniel 9 about the...

You are both in error.

Of course you are free to believe this passage how you will, but you may not get the outcome you expect. You will be left behind and will be overcome. That overcome is also scripture. We all know that there is no timing information in verses 15-17. Paul does not get to timing until chapter 5...

You have missed the truth on EVERY POINT! I will make a guess that you cannot pinpoint the real time of the rapture OR the 70th week correctly in Revelation...yet you think you know. I hope you can prove me wrong. By the time the the anti-Christ is revealed he will already be proclaiming...

You have been refuted at every corner regarding your claim of a pre-trib rapture It is amazing how posttribbers THINK they "refute" everyone that disagrees with them. The truth is, Posttribbers are going to miss the marriage and supper. They will have NO WAY to get to heaven.

You can pull verses out of their context and make up any doctrine. We shouldn't form doctrine from isolated verses (taking the 1 Thes. 4 passage by itself) but rather by all the end times scriptures. If we take Paul's rapture verse and see where it fits in John's Revelation narrative, it fits...

Why is there any problem? The word "first" is in priority an honor, not in sequence.

Perhaps you should do a little more study on "last days." Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 1 Pet. 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in...

You can doubt a pretrib rapture til' the cows come home, but all it will gain you will be to be left behind when it takes place. I wonder why anyone would chose to stay behind and be overcome, when God has made an escape plan.

Paul and John already have: that is the way it is written.

No, wrong. What you suggest is not obvious at all because it is error. I will repast verses 2 & 3 and do it the way you should have: 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the...