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Sorry, that is chapter 5. John is seeing Jesus "as a lamb" after He ascended. It is in the throne room. It is symbolism. Notice the timing: right after He prevailed over death to become worthy, then ascended. What did He do first? He sent the Holy Spirit down. This was done so we would know...

Cute, leave out the part that don't fit! I expected that! Let's try again: With your current belief system, IF Jesus came TONIGHT....would you be expecting Him?

Why do you insist there must be ONE VERSE that shows the rapture and the trip to heaven? I have stated over and over: THERE IS NO SINGLE VERSE ANYWHERE in scripture that proves either a pretrib, posttrib, prewrath or midtrib rapture. Why then do you keep insisting there must be?

The truth is, in verse 3b the man of sin is revealed. The truth is, in verses 6-8 the man of sin CANNOT be revealed until the restraining force is taken out of the way. Therefore, please tell us with your exegesis, WHAT OR WHO in verse 3a get's "taken out of the way" that could be a...

There can be no doubt, those that miss the pretrib coming and rapture will meet the Beast - either face to face or by others trying to enforce the image and the mark. Imagine if you will, a Jew still hiding in Berlin in 1943. His chances of survival are slim to none. He will be found and...

Did I say that? Read more closely! Jesus is opening the seals. The white horse and rider are to represent the CHURCH with the gospel. The timing is given in chapter 5: Jesus ascending and sending the Holy Spirit down. That is when Jesus got the book and opened the first seal.

We as pretribbers over the years have left the door WIDE OPEN for criticism. For example, trying to say the rapture is in Rev. 4:1. Even a beginning reader could tell that was JOHN caught up, not the church. I want to close all doors to criticism. Anything that has been classical pretrib that...

It takes far more assumption to imagine John 14 is history! Have you seen your mansion? I have certainly not seen mine. No one I know personally has seen his or hers. I do know of someone that has seen theirs and came back to testify. In fact, I know of two such people. I have read books of...

I think all you want to do is argue. Let's run over this again: there is no verse ANYWHERE in scripture that proves a pretrib, a posttrib, a midtrib or a prewrath rapture. NONE! We don't form doctrine from an isolated verse. Why they do you insist on one? Is that your kind of exegesis? If...

No, sorry. That is poor exegesis. John used the color white 17 times in Revelation. 16 times to represent righteousness or Godliness. Do you really imagine God would have John us it 16 times for good and then once for evil? NEVER HAPPEN! All those that imagine the first seal is to represent the...

The rapture is shown in 1 Thes. 4. You know this.

The first four verses of 2 Thess. 2 state that anti-Christ is revealed before the rapture, not after. No, it is your poor exegesis that states that. A beginning bible student may imagine that it was it says, but a careful study reveals that the departing comes first (because the departing is...

What possible difference could this have on us at the end of the church age? What is important is that HE died, was buried, and rose again.

Thanks: I have been remiss: Readers: I should have expanded on this: what does Paul mean by the man of sin revealed? He is speaking of that moment the man of sin will enter the temple in Jerusalem and declare that he is GOD - the God of the Jews and the god of creation. This revealing is what...

This is a classical example of pulling verses out of context. These verses set the context for the first seals: Rev 5: 2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? 3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under...

This is simply not true. You have been shown John 14 over and over and you DON'T believe it.

Thanks! Finally! So in 3b he is revealed: I counted 34 English translations that puts it "Is revealed." So we have established this as fact. Yes, I further agree: once he is revealed he "opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God " Here is a sample of the 34 AMP Let no one...

Zec 14:5 This verse fits either pre or post just as well. It is close to saying he armies of heaven follow Him. If you leave the 5th seal in its context, it is church age martyrs. The rapture CANNOT come until the final church age martyr is killed. Thanks, Friend: you just showed us a...

The point is, if we dwell on sin, we are more proned to sin. If we dwell on the righteousness of Christ that is OURS, we are better off.

I already did and you either missed it or ignored it because it would end your argument