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    Who is the beast that was and is not?

    Right! And mountains have kings! Got it! By the way, Mystery Babylon is the city of Jerusalem.
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    Since everything we ever get from heaven, we get by and through faith - I must agree with you. I think the rapture will be limited to those who believe in it and are EXPECTING HIM when He comes. When Jesus comes FOR His saints, will he find faith on the earth?
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    Why do you keep posting myths? If the 1 Thes 4 coming is after the trib, prove it by scripture. Just someone believing something is no proof.
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    This is simply not true. The moment after the rapture, millions will realize their mistaken and turn to God with a fervor. It will be a whole new group of saints - but they will be overcome.
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    Did you not read Hebrews? Heb 9:28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him. This verse in NO WAY prohibits a third or fourth coming....
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    I suspect He descended / ascended to from and to heaven for every appearance during those 40 days. I further suspect He ascended first right after sending Mary away.
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    Who is the beast that was and is not?

    You ask a very good question!
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    Ha ha ha! "Smashed to smithereens! Well, maybe in some minds! I could say the same thing about posttrib rapture doctrine. It has zero legs propping it up.
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    When will the OT saints rise? I bugged God a lot about that too. From Daniel 12, 1& 2, we know it is after the days of GT. And from Jesus we can guess "on the last day." Where do we find the very worst earthquake ever? It is on the last day, the 7th vial. I am convinced the OT saints will...
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    """" Jesus preached the gospel to the saints in paradise after he was crucified. The bible says he took captivity captive..took them to heaven They, with Jesus Are the "firstfruits". Main harvest is the rapture. Your template omits marriage supper in heaven...among other things. 1 Thess 4...
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    I did not think I would have to spell it out for you 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew...
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    Dan. 12:1-2 And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued. And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life...
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    Very good except the last two sentences. The first five seals are church age. Wrath starts at the 6th seal and the 70th week starts at the 7th seal. ALL of the week is wrath, just as you said, because the DAY of wrath starts first, then the week. By the way, Jesus ONLY point in referring to...
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    Who is the beast that was and is not?

    According to Daniel, there are ten kings (supposedly each with a nation or empire. The Beast will take out 3 kings (again supposedly taking over that nation) out of the ten, leaving 7 kings intact and he then becomes the 8th king (over the seven nations?). Perhaps John is giving us hints of...
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    Who is the beast that was and is not?

    So what are you saying? What happened to Babylon after Nebuchadnezzar? It did remain for a while, but was overcome by Persia and the land area was then run by the kings of Persia. Daniel tells us that the Beast will take down 3 kings out of ten, not five.
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    He may well come before some on this forum imagine. He could come TONIGHT.
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    Please, allow me to lay it out. Isaiah 13:9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. This is one of God's descriptions of the Day of the Lord. John shows it starting at the 6th...
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    Who is the beast that was and is not?

    I will go by his written description rather than a symbol.
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    Who is the beast that was and is not?

    First, all 7 heads exist at the same time. Why then does John tells us that five of them have fallen?
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    Neither you nor anyone can make "is come" into "about to happen." You are putting TIMING information into a Greek Aorist verb which has no timing. I could say "just happened" and be just as wrong. All we can know from this Greek word is, "marriage." We have to decide WHEN from the context. It...