Understanding God’s election

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Magenta

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Those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. The mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Those controlled by the flesh cannot please God.
 

Inquisitor

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What verse in Mat 22 states "corporate election"? There's nothing in the parable that says that the king sent out his servants to gather the nations to his wedding feast. But they did go out to gather individuals from other ethnicities.

Jesus did not teach that many nations are called but few nations are chosen. Which of the few nations on this earth are chosen? You must know which nations, right?

Also, for your info, Jesus did not teach the the kingdom would be given to multiple nations; rather he said that the kingdom would be taken away from Israel and given to A NATION who would produce the fruit thereof (Mat 21:43). What nation would that be?
Matthew 22:3
And he sent out his slaves to call those who had been invited to the wedding feast, and they were unwilling to come.

We have the first nation which is Israel; the chosen nation but they refused the invitation.

Matthew 22:9
Go therefore to the main highways, and as many as you find there, invite to the wedding feast.

One would assume then that this verse is telling us that all Gentile nations will receive the invitation.

You would be wrong in that assumption.

Please read the following verses.

Acts 16:6-7
They passed through the Phrygian and Galatian region, having been forbidden by the Holy Spirit to speak
the word in Asia
; and after they came to Mysia, they were trying to go into Bithynia, and the Spirit of Jesus
did not permit them
.

So during Paul's ministry to the Gentiles there were specific nations selected by God. For example, Paul
was directed to go to Macedonia. Nations to the east were permitted but forbidden to enter the nations of Asia.

So I win again Rufus!
 

Rufus

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Matthew 22:3
And he sent out his slaves to call those who had been invited to the wedding feast, and they were unwilling to come.

We have the first nation which is Israel; the chosen nation but they refused the invitation.

Matthew 22:9
Go therefore to the main highways, and as many as you find there, invite to the wedding feast.

One would assume then that this verse is telling us that all Gentile nations will receive the invitation.

You would be wrong in that assumption.

Please read the following verses.

Acts 16:6-7
They passed through the Phrygian and Galatian region, having been forbidden by the Holy Spirit to speak
the word in Asia
; and after they came to Mysia, they were trying to go into Bithynia, and the Spirit of Jesus
did not permit them
.

So during Paul's ministry to the Gentiles there were specific nations selected by God. For example, Paul
was directed to go to Macedonia. Nations to the east were permitted but forbidden to enter the nations of Asia.

So I win again Rufus!
You might assume that, but I never did! You don't pay attention to what people write. I have frequently stated on this thread and in others as well that God does save ALL men w/o distinction. It's you FWs who think that Christ died for all men w/o exception, remember?

The megabytes of irony about the Acts passage you quote is that it clearly refutes the FWs' ASSUMPTION that God doesn't want anyone on the planet to perish! Yet, here we have a text that teaches that the Spirit of Christ would not permit them to go into Asia! How "politically/theologically incorrect" is that!? There are FWs here who see God as the EOE (Equal Opportunity Employer) kinda guy who treats all men equally because if he didn't He'd be vile, unjust monster. :rolleyes:

So...Mr. Delusional Winner , can you rattle off who all the elect nations are? Or better yet, just address the passage I quoted earlier in which Jesus Jesus told Israel that the Kingdom would be taken from them and given to another NATION!

Matt 21:43
43 "Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it.

NKJV

Since you're so full of yourself, you should be able to tell me who the specific nation is that was given the Kingdom of God. Not only that but this nation, according to Jesus, will actually bear the fruits of the kingdom! Why don't you write a list for us of which nations on this planet are so faithful to God that they are actually bearing kingdom fruit.

And has any nation in the world (Vatican excluded) declared itself to officially be a Christian nation, has adopted God's holy laws for their own laws of their land, and have evicted all the pagans in their officially Christian land? Or do all these elect national entities still permit idolaters to reside and flourish in their lands with false religions of their own? Do these elect national entities follow in the footsteps of OC apostate Israel by allowing pagans to influence public policy and to corrupt believers in their lands? Is this NC dispensation just more of the same ol' OC economy?

Or since you think God's elect are all the nations in the world, then you should be able to find in scripture the covenant that God made with all the nations in the world, since historically God's relationship with his chosen people has been and is by covenant only. I would dearly love to see the conditions for this universal covenant of love that God has made with the entire world.

P.S. One other thing before I forget. You say above that in Jesus' parable national Israel refused the invitation. So...since that is the case, where does that leave all the individual Jews who did not refuse? What "nation" are they part of? Where and how do they fit in to your scheme of election of nations?