The problem of the statement of “never saved to begin with”

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Everlasting-Grace

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PennEd said:
You are right in certain ways.

But although rare, it DOES happen people can change their mind on an issue. I am a testament to that on this issue.
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Me also..

At one time I used to think my behavior, or sin, could at some point result in my loss of Salvation. This is destructive thinking for many reasons, and actually results in a believer committing MORE sin as they try not to sin, resulting in constant unsurety if that last sin broke the camel's back.
This is counterintuitive to human reasoning. The Holy Spirit through loving, mature believers, and the Word, opened my eyes to the folly of that doctrine many yrs ago.

The whole purpose of the Law, which Paul refers to as the "ministry of death" because NO ONE can keep it and anyone attempting to justify themselves by trying to keep it will eternally die, is to point people to Jesus Christ.

Once the impetus to try as hard as I could not sin was removed, I began to sin LESS! I know. Completely counterintuitive to human logic! But as I relied more and more on JESUS to keep me saved, the pressure was off ME trying to help Jesus keep me saved, resulting in the freedom Scripture talks about.
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Amen.. so true. thats why we read in the good book how Jesus and paul went to war against these thinkings..
So to some extent you are right about debates going on and on, but there are many people who sit on the sidelines not saying anything, just watching and reading, who may be deeply confused on an important issue like this one. It's not about winning an argument with the person you are engaging. It's about getting information and views out to the audience at large. And who knows? Maybe through the Holy Spirit you CAN get that person to see error.
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And again, I agree.. Its also for the sake of others who may be reading..
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
thank you and I agree


I will ask you the same question I asked another poster. correct me if I am wrong. or help me understand

How can one claim they are not depending on themselves IF they claim that the final salvation is dependent on what they do or do not do. or as you just said, it depends on US CONTINUING? or ABIDING? or not losing FAITH?

I will add to my post to you since you have mentioned it, that you have to Co-Operate with God. or work on your salvation (all of you)


is this not all dependent on you? Help me make it make sense. because it does not.
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This may not be the best day for this. I will likely be in and out and have limited time today. We'll see. But I wanted to let you know I read and appreciate the post.

Let me ask you one question, if I may; Do you believe that men choose to believe in or to reject God and/or Jesus Christ?
 
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