The problem of the statement of “never saved to begin with”

[Psalm1]

Chapter and verse?

I just thought of another verse. In the Bible in Romans, chapter eleven, where it says the God cut his Jewish covanant people off and that we, the gentiles, the Gentile covenant church, was grafted in. God goes on to say if I cut them off. How much more could I also cut you off?
I can look that one up also if you're not familiar with it.

 

[Magenta]

Also in the produgal pairable, the father never went after the son that departed from his father's family and from his father himself
It was only the effort of the produgal that he would save and restored back to the Father.
Saved ( belonged to the father...then departed into sin)
vivid depiction of departing the faith, and it would be ridiculous to try and say "he never was family" (saved)

that parable alone prohibits a "he never was saved" theory.

I can look that one up also, if people are not familiar with it

Thanks for the examples. This one seems to contradict the earlier Hebrews one you gave in post number 2018.

 

[Psalm1]

Thanks for the examples. This one seems to contradict the earlier Hebrews one you gave in post number 2018.

The produgal repented and returned unassisted.

I understand 100% osas as a "fact"

It is a fact in that the covenant we have with God is unbreakable.
Unbreakable by God.
I also understand that carnal rebellious believers are most likely saved in spite of their behavior...because.... Paul said in 1 Corinthians " Some are saved as through fire, they are saved, but they're works are burned up because they're works are would hey and stubble..
Our covenant is powerful.

My thoughts are that some do in fact walk away and hate God.
Were they ever saved?
I think some were and some were not.

I have my own osas slogan.
"All those people that we see in heaven, and all the people that we will see in heaven, were once saved and always saved."

Most of these doctrinal debates are a ball batted back and forth.
It is fun debating those concepts.

I like most of your thoughts and posts.
I can tell you love Jesus.