jesus is not God

[becausehedied]

I am taken aback that anyone can say they comprehend the trinity and the "dual nature" of Christ. Neither concept is in the bible, and neither makes sense.

This does make sense:
1 Cor 8:6) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Do you see what is plainly written? There is one God, the Father, and one Lord, Jesus Christ. The Father is God, our Lord is Jesus Christ.

Shroom how do you explain John 1:1, Matthew 1:23, Philippians 1:5-11?

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Mat 1:23 "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel," which is translated, "God with us."

Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,
Php 2:6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,
Php 2:7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.
Php 2:8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.
Php 2:9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name,
Php 2:10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth,
Php 2:11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

(Emphasis added)

The word came to earth and was born of a woman and called Jesus, prior to coming to earth He existed with God, as God, equal with God.

When He came to earth did He stop being what He was before?

Joh 8:58 Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."

Jesus Christ on earth had a Physical beginning, but He existed before He came to earth. (read John 1:1 again)

Just because we cannot comprehend such does not make it wrong.
Deuteronomy 29:29

We do not understand the mind of God, but we can understand what He has revealed to us.

Isa 55:8 "For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," says the Lord.
Isa 55:9 "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts.
Isa 55:10 "For as the rain comes down, and the snow from heaven, And do not return there, But water the earth, And make it bring forth and bud, That it may give seed to the sower And bread to the eater,
Isa 55:11 So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it.


You believe the word is all inspired 2 Timothy 3:16, 17.
Let me suggest that if ones interpretation of a single verse contradicts another, then the interpretation of the single verse is incorrect. One must take the entire Bible and not pick and choose certain Scriptures.

 

[AnandaHya]

Ezekiel 11
18 And they will go there, and they will take away all its detestable things and all its abominations from there. 19 Then I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within them,[a] and take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh, 20 that they may walk in My statutes and keep My judgments and do them; and they shall be My people, and I will be their God. 21 But as for those whose hearts follow the desire for their detestable things and their abominations, I will recompense their deeds on their own heads,” says the Lord GOD.

What are the commandments?

Matthew 22
36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”
37 Jesus said to him, “ ‘You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’[d] 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’[e] 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

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[shroom2]

Shroom how do you explain John 1:1, Matthew 1:23, Philippians 1:5-11?

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

God's Word is God. God is the source of His Word.

Mat 1:23 "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel," which is translated, "God with us."

His NAME will be called Immanuel. Jesus Christ is God with us. We cannot know God without knowing His son Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ declared God.

Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,
Php 2:6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,
Php 2:7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.
Php 2:8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.
Php 2:9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name,
Php 2:10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth,
Php 2:11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
(Emphasis added)

The KJV translates v6 poorly (as does the trinitarian-slanted NIV):

(KJV) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

(NIV) Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,

(ESV) who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,

(NKJV) who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,

(NRSV) who, though he was in the form of God, did not regard equality with God as something to be exploited,

(ASV) who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped,

The word came to earth and was born of a woman and called Jesus, prior to coming to earth He existed with God, as God, equal with God.

He only "pre-existed" in God's foreknowledge.

When He came to earth did He stop being what He was before?

He did not exist before he existed.

Joh 8:58 Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."

He was the promise of God that existed from before Abraham. The promise pre-existed Abraham, Jesus did not.

Jesus Christ on earth had a Physical beginning, but He existed before He came to earth. (read John 1:1 again)

No, he did not "pre-exist" his birth. That is part of the error of trinitarianism. Nobody can "pre-exist" their birth. Jesus Christ was (and is) the only begotten Son of God. He is the only human being fathered by God.

Just because we cannot comprehend such does not make it wrong.
Deuteronomy 29:29

Yes. Trinitarians often refer to that verse because trinitarianism is incomprehensible.

We do not understand the mind of God, but we can understand what He has revealed to us.

And He has revealed to us who His son is. "The man Christ Jesus".

Isa 55:8 "For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," says the Lord.
Isa 55:9 "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts.
Isa 55:10 "For as the rain comes down, and the snow from heaven, And do not return there, But water the earth, And make it bring forth and bud, That it may give seed to the sower And bread to the eater,
Isa 55:11 So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it.


You believe the word is all inspired 2 Timothy 3:16, 17.
Let me suggest that if ones interpretation of a single verse contradicts another, then the interpretation of the single verse is incorrect. One must take the entire Bible and not pick and choose certain Scriptures.

That is precisely what trinitarians do. There are a handful of verses from which a person may INFER that Jesus is God. Most of them do not directly say he is God, it must be inferred. Jesus Christ is a man, the bible plainly states it in many verses. He prayed to his God, who is also our God. He did not do his will, but God, his father's, will. He did not want to die on the cross. He petitioned God three times, asking if there was any other way. If he were God, what's the big deal? Why did he earnestly pray NOT TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH IT?

1 Tim 2:5) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

1 Cor 8:6) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Rom 5:15) But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

God, the Father, is the one true God. We are to have no other gods before Him (not "them"). Jesus Christ is the Messiah, the only begotten Son of God, a man. Holy spirit can either refer to God Himself, or to the gift of holy spirit that He gives to people when they believe on His wonderful Son, Jesus Christ.

And do not forget that in order to pay the price for sin, Jesus had to actually die. God cannot die. Jesus was DEAD for three days and three nights, and then God, his father, raised him from the dead.

God bless.

 

[becausehedied]

God's Word is God. God is the source of His Word.

His NAME will be called Immanuel. Jesus Christ is God with us. We cannot know God without knowing His son Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ declared God.

The KJV translates v6 poorly (as does the trinitarian-slanted NIV):

(KJV) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

(NIV) Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,

(ESV) who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,

(NKJV) who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,

(NRSV) who, though he was in the form of God, did not regard equality with God as something to be exploited,

(ASV) who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped,

He only "pre-existed" in God's foreknowledge.

He did not exist before he existed.

He was the promise of God that existed from before Abraham. The promise pre-existed Abraham, Jesus did not.

No, he did not "pre-exist" his birth. That is part of the error of trinitarianism. Nobody can "pre-exist" their birth. Jesus Christ was (and is) the only begotten Son of God. He is the only human being fathered by God.

Yes. Trinitarians often refer to that verse because trinitarianism is incomprehensible.

And He has revealed to us who His son is. "The man Christ Jesus".

That is precisely what trinitarians do. There are a handful of verses from which a person may INFER that Jesus is God. Most of them do not directly say he is God, it must be inferred. Jesus Christ is a man, the bible plainly states it in many verses. He prayed to his God, who is also our God. He did not do his will, but God, his father's, will. He did not want to die on the cross. He petitioned God three times, asking if there was any other way. If he were God, what's the big deal? Why did he earnestly pray NOT TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH IT?

1 Tim 2:5) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

1 Cor 8:6) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Rom 5:15) But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

God, the Father, is the one true God. We are to have no other gods before Him (not "them"). Jesus Christ is the Messiah, the only begotten Son of God, a man. Holy spirit can either refer to God Himself, or to the gift of holy spirit that He gives to people when they believe on His wonderful Son, Jesus Christ.

And do not forget that in order to pay the price for sin, Jesus had to actually die. God cannot die. Jesus was DEAD for three days and three nights, and then God, his father, raised him from the dead.

God bless.

You believe what you wish.

 

[zackabba]

confessing that Jesus is the Christ or messiah doesnt say he is God

Christ doesnt mean God it means the annointed one

CHRIST translated in hebrew : MESSIAH

many people really dont know what the meaning of the words are, using words without knowing

...I do know what it means.

Why then does it mean He cannot be God?

It's not possible to have a human nature and a nature of deity, because with God, all things are not possible...right?



Jesus was in the form of God, yet took on the form of a servant...what does that tell you?

"Zack was in the form of God, yet took on the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of sinful, human flesh..."

Does this sound right to you?

 

[shroom2]

You believe what you wish.

I believe God's Word.

 

[TheAristocat]

I only follow and trust on the Gospel of Jesus.
I read the letters of paul and john and peter but I dont see them as the Gospel of Jesus our Lord and Saviour

Ezekiel 11:19

Then I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within them, and take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh,

choose to take this litteral or symbolical, but what you choose have to be considerd for the following verses.

thearistocat you have a strong argument, but if I understand you that God is sending God (holy spirit) to live in us ?

do you really believe that God is inside those rapists within the catholic church ? these priest were al baptised, not?
do you really think witch-burning, the inquisition was inspired by the holy ghost?

taking this litteral will confuse with youre reality, not?

there are many verses where God and Jesus spoke symbolical for the children so that they could understand. ( in those days people werent so educated with vocabulary/words as today).

if Jesus says : I am the branch you are the vine. are you not intelligent enough to know this is symbolical?

I don't know if God dwells in rapists or not. We all have sin, and if God doesn't dwell in a Christian rapist (assuming there can be such a thing) then there would be no reason for him to reside in the rest of us. In Ezekiel 11:19 the word used for spirit can mean a spirit as in the Holy Spirit or it can mean one's desire, emotional character, etc. You could take it as symbolic since that passage has symbolism in it, but you also needn't take it as symbolic.

At any rate I don't see this as diminishing the act of God sending the Counselor - the Holy Spirit - as an act of God only affecting a physical change within us. The Holy Spirit also came in the form of a dove. If this were not a substantial spirit and were only an emotional change, then it would have no visible form.

 

[mrtacpans]

mrtacpans,start at gen 1;1;,and read through,,,and you will notice the ect. ect.

in genesis... it says us...not god said let there be man in my likeness it says us..second god created a world for his children to play and we are it...soul man... as only death bringeth with a light of life

 

[mpaper345]

In contrast we are Taught by the Holy Spirit and our spirit is able to say Abba Father because we have the Holy Spirit within us but there is a difference between OUR Spirits and God's Holy Spirit as seen in these verses:

Romans 8:14-16
New King James Version (NKJV)
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.” 16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,

True,we have a spirit inside us besides the Holy Spirit,when we are with God,and all people have a spirit within them,which I believe the spirit is our connection to God,our relationship with God while on earth,but the spirit goes back to God when we die.

The Bible says that God is the Father of spirits.

7Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it(Ecclesiastes 12:7).

When a person dies their spirit goes back to God who gave it,no matter how the person acted on earth.

We are made flesh,spirit,and soul.

God gave us a choice whether to live for Him or not.

The flesh is our choice which is always contrary to what God wants,for the Bible says the flesh and Spirit are contrary to each other,and in the flesh dwells no good thing because it is our choice which is contrary to God.
The flesh is always tainted with sin regardless whether a person lives for Jesus or not.

The spirit is our connection to God,and all spirits go back to God no matter how the person acted on earth.
The spirit can never be tainted with sin regardless whether a person lives for Jesus or not,because all spirits go back to God.

The soul makes the decision between the two.
The soul is the only thing that the saints keep of the three,and the flesh will be put off,the spirit will go back to God,but the soul will live forever,but have a glorified body.
The soul can either be uncorrupt or corrupt depending if they lived for God in the truth or not.

All people have a spirit,but people do not keep their spirits for eternity,for they go back to God,but souls are what people will keep forever.

 

[dbj72]

Shroom how do you explain John 1:1, Matthew 1:23, Philippians 1:5-11?

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Mat 1:23 "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel," which is translated, "God with us."



I am not being difficult just seeking truth. Can you show scriptures from the OT please.

Shalom/Blessings

 

[AnandaHya]

True,we have a spirit inside us besides the Holy Spirit,when we are with God,and all people have a spirit within them,which I believe the spirit is our connection to God,our relationship with God while on earth,but the spirit goes back to God when we die.

The Bible says that God is the Father of spirits.

7Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it(Ecclesiastes 12:7).

When a person dies their spirit goes back to God who gave it,no matter how the person acted on earth.

and He casts some spirits into hell and allows some to enter Heaven and His rest.

We are made flesh,spirit,and soul.

God gave us a choice whether to live for Him or not.

ok.....

The flesh is our choice which is always contrary to what God wants,for the Bible says the flesh and Spirit are contrary to each other,and in the flesh dwells no good thing because it is our choice which is contrary to God.
The flesh is always tainted with sin regardless whether a person lives for Jesus or not.

the flesh itself is not sin, Jesus was clothed in flesh and He was without sin.

The spirit is our connection to God,and all spirits go back to God no matter how the person acted on earth.
The spirit can never be tainted with sin regardless whether a person lives for Jesus or not,because all spirits go back to God.

now that is not quite right.

Angels what are they? Fallen angels have they been tainted? Why must we test the spirit? What is being referred to as an UNCLEAN spirit? Why does God have to give people a NEW Heart and a New Spirit?

The soul makes the decision between the two.
The soul is the only thing that the saints keep of the three,and the flesh will be put off,the spirit will go back to God,but the soul will live forever,but have a glorified body.
The soul can either be uncorrupt or corrupt depending if they lived for God in the truth or not.

the soul is the connection between the spirit and the flesh, it is often referred to as the mind or the will of men.

All people have a spirit,but people do not keep their spirits for eternity,for they go back to God,but souls are what people will keep forever.

debatable and uncertain. would you like to examine some Bible verses on the topic?

there are 331 verses with the word "soul" in them...

BibleGateway - Quick search: soul

perhaps another thread?

 

[zackabba]

Shroom how do you explain John 1:1, Matthew 1:23, Philippians 1:5-11?

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Mat 1:23 "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel," which is translated, "God with us."



I am not being difficult just seeking truth. Can you show scriptures from the OT please.

Shalom/Blessings

Ah! Do you happen to have a reference Bible?

If you do, look again at Matthew 1:23 - it has a reference to Isaiah 7:14 (which is what Matthew was citing)

There you go! The Old Testament!



Also, see how Peter, in 1 Peter, actually applies Isaiah 8:14 to Jesus!(1 Peter 2:8)

Why is that amazing? Isaiah 8:14 is talking about the Lord God, YHWH.


Grace and Love

 

[Joshua175]

Colossians 1:11-20 "Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven."


Hebrews 1:1-8 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."



Revelation 22:12-16 "And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

 

[becausehedied]

Ah! Do you happen to have a reference Bible?

If you do, look again at Matthew 1:23 - it has a reference to Isaiah 7:14 (which is what Matthew was citing)

There you go! The Old Testament!



Also, see how Peter, in 1 Peter, actually applies Isaiah 8:14 to Jesus!(1 Peter 2:8)

Why is that amazing? Isaiah 8:14 is talking about the Lord God, YHWH.


Grace and Love

Originally Posted by becausehedied
Shroom how do you explain John 1:1, Matthew 1:23, Philippians 1:5-11?

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Mat 1:23 "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel," which is translated, "God with us."



I am not being difficult just seeking truth. Can you show scriptures from the OT please.

Shalom/Blessings


This is the second time that something as been attributed to me that I did not say.

I did not post the lines that appear in orange, I did post the Scriptures.

However, I am glad to see that others know how to connect the Bible together by use of the Old and New Testament.

 

[zackabba]

Colossians 1:11-20 "Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven."


Hebrews 1:1-8 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."



Revelation 22:12-16 "And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

And don't forget Hebrews 1:10! You stopped at the best part...


And,

“You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning,
and the heavens are the work of your hands;
they will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment,
like a robe you will roll them up,
like a garment they will be changed.
But you are the same,
and your years will have no end.”

(Hebrews 1:10-12)

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

I believe God's Word.

Hey, Shroomer...

Will you please give us a quick summary of your understanding about several things? Is Jesus created? Was He virgin-born? Was He created in Mary's womb? If so, in what manner (sperm and/or egg, embryo, etc.). If not, or something different than some/any of this, what/ how?

Do you agree Jesus is God's perfect identity as a man? But not God's essence or substance (God's "stuff")? Was Jesus non-ontologically God?

 

[shroom2]

Hey, Shroomer...

Will you please give us a quick summary of your understanding about several things? Is Jesus created? Was He virgin-born? Was He created in Mary's womb? If so, in what manner (sperm and/or egg, embryo, etc.). If not, or something different than some/any of this, what/ how?

Do you agree Jesus is God's perfect identity as a man? But not God's essence or substance (God's "stuff")? Was Jesus non-ontologically God?

Sure, yes, yes, yes, God created the seed (sperm).

Jesus Christ was, and still is, a man, the Son of God, the "second Adam", the messiah.

God is the Father, He is spirit, and is supreme over all.

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

Sure, yes, yes, yes, God created the seed (sperm).

Jesus Christ was, and still is, a man, the Son of God, the "second Adam", the messiah.

God is the Father, He is spirit, and is supreme over all.

But do you believe Jesus to be God's identity AS a man? Was Jesus the same "who" as the Father or a different who? Was Jesus the exact Immanent identity of Transcendent God?

Okay... created sperm. Combined with Mary's ova? Or both sperm and ova created? Any further details of "how"?

 

[shroom2]

But do you believe Jesus to be God's identity AS a man?

No, he IS a man, the Son of God.

Was Jesus the same "who" as the Father or a different who?

A different who. God is his father, Jesus is God's son.

Was Jesus the exact Immanent identity of Transcendent God?

No. They are two completely separate beings. God is God, Jesus is God's son. A man. The messiah.

Okay... created sperm. Combined with Mary's ova?

Yes

Or both sperm and ova created?

No, just the sperm.

Any further details of "how"?

Matt 1:18, Luke 1:28-31

 

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If you reject the Trinity, you're a heretic. Non-trinitarianism is not biblical at all.