jesus is not God

[ada]

"waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ." (Titus 2:13, ESV)

"...to those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ" (2 Peter 1:1, ESV)

Grace and Love

>>>>>>>>>Not really..<<<<<<<<


Galations 5:9
A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.


Please read this..




The Damnable English Standard Version​

By David J. Stewart​

The English Standard Version (hereafter referred to as the ESV) is deadly and needs to be exposed! The publishers mislead people when they claim that the ESV is a "word-for-word translation" of the original Greek.1 What they DON'T tell people is that there is a raging debate over which "original" Greek texts are trustworthy. The ESV is based upon an entirely DIFFERENT Greek text than the precious King James Bible. I wouldn't give you a dime for the ESV or any other modern "version" of the Bible, because they're all based upon the corrupt Greek work of heretics Westcott and Hort. Thank God for the reliable King James Bible!
The Bible teaches in John 8:44 that the Devil is a LIAR and the father of all liars. The Bible also teaches in 2nd Corinthians 11:13-14 that Satan masquerades himself as an Angel of Light who relentlessly works to pervert, corrupt and deceive. Satan's teachers are everywhere.
In today's apostate world, few people can distinguish between truth and error. The Word of God is our only defense. This is why Jesus commanded in John 5:39... SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES!!! Is it any wonder why Satan is corrupting the Scriptures to prevent people from obeying Jesus' command in John 5:39? Not at all. The ESV is just another attempt of Satan to malign and twist the Word of God into a lie.

The ESV Corrupts 1st John 5:7
Here's 1st John 5:7 from the ESV...

"For there are three that testify."
​

Now here's the trustworthy King James Bible...

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
​

Obviously, the ESV is not anywhere near accurate and is a lie of the Devil. Like all other corrupt modern versions of God's Word, the ESV removes the GODHEAD.

The ESV Corrupts Philippians 2:6
Now here's Philippians 2:6 from the ESV...

"who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,"
​

Now here's the trustworthy King James Bible...

"Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"
​

Clearly, the ESV robs Jesus Christ of His deity, claiming that He couldn't grasp being equal with God. Yet the King James Bible proclaims that Jesus is Almighty God (Revelation 1:8). God deliver us from the apostasy of our day, from all the Bible-corrupters and Christ-rejecters.
There are THOUSANDS of similar problems with the ESV and a large book could be written exposing it's deceptions and lies. I beseech you my friend, use only the King James Bible (and NOT the New King James Version either, it's corrupted too). Here's a compelling article exposing the numerous problems with the New International Version (NIV) of the Bible. By close comparison, you'll find that the SAME perversions are similar in the ESV and NIV, because they both originate in the same corrupt Greek text of heretics Westcott and Hort.

Lies, Lies and More Lies!
The following is quoted from the official website of the English Standard Version of the Bible...

The English Standard Version (ESV) Bible is a new, essentially literal Bible translation that combines word-for-word precision and accuracy with literary excellence, beauty, and depth of meaning...
SOURCE: Introduction to the ESV Bible
​

What they DON'T tell you is that they are using the CORRUPTED Greek texts of heretics Westcott and Hort, two unsaved men who hated the Word of God. The King James Bible came from an entirely different Greek text (the Textus Receptus) which originated from Antioch, Rome, where believers were first called "Christians" (Acts 11:26). The corrupted Greek text which Westcott and Hort used originated from Egypt.

Second, the ESV is special because it is a &#8220;word-for-word&#8221; translation. The Bible says every word was &#8220;breathed out by God&#8221; (2 Timothy 3:16). For this reason, the ESV seeks to translate the original Greek and Hebrew words with the greatest possible accuracy and precision.
SOURCE: Introduction to the ESV Bible
​

How can you have "accuracy and precession" if you have a perverted manuscript to begin with?

Third, the ESV is special because it carries forward the great historic stream of Bible versions in English&#8212;with literary excellence, beauty, and depth of meaning, in a fresh and compelling way.
SOURCE: Introduction to the ESV Bible
​

The ESV is a piece of garbage, containing the same lame mumbo-jumbo of the New International Version (NIV). All modern bibles are corrupt because they are all translated from the corrupt Greek texts of Westcott and Hort.
The ESV website further states...

Would you believe it took nearly 500 years to translate the ESV Bible? That&#8217;s because the ESV builds on the great translations of the past&#8212;including William Tyndale&#8217;s New Testament of 1526 and the King James Version (KJV) of 1611.
But the ESV Bible also builds on the best Christian scholarship of the last 100 years. The result is a fresh and compelling Bible translation with a timeless quality, that&#8217;s trustworthy and true ...
The result is a Bible that conveys the timeless quality of God&#8217;s Word and that remains trustworthy and true to the original words breathed out by God. As Moses wrote more than 3,000 years ago, the words of God are &#8220;your very life, and by this word you shall live&#8221; (Deuteronomy 32:47).
SOURCE: Introduction to the ESV Bible
​

What a bunch of rubbish! Please don't be deceived by the rhetoric, the ESV is no better than the perverted NIV. They've even stooped as far as to exploit the scholarship King James Translators...

With the greatest respect for the KJV and deep gratitude to its translators for their work, the English Standard Version Translation Team endeavored to carry on the KJV&#8217;s historic translation legacy in a way that is fresh and compelling for today and that will endure for generations to come.
SOURCE: From KJV to ESV: A Historical Legacy
​

It may all sound good on the surface (and I'm sure a lot of naive people will buy into the lie); but the ESV translators butchered the Word of God, even denying the Lord's deity in Philippians 2:6. Just as with the NIV, the ESV removes the word "worshipped" in Matthew 8:2, replacing it with the weaker word "knelt." Please read, Worship Jesus. Just as with the NIV perversion, the ESV removes important Biblical terms such as: Godhead, Calvary, Lucifer, sodomite, et cetera. I challenge you to compare all the problems with the NIV to the ESV and you'll find a striking similarity.

Beware of the ESV!
The English Standard Version is of the Devil. There's not a more trustworthy Bible available today in English than the precious King James Bible. Homosexuals, Christ-rejecters, sin-lovers, apostates, liberals, ecumenicals, false teachers who teach false gospels, the self-righteous and sinister ministers will love the ESV.
Westcott and Hort: Translator's Beliefs


The Damnable English Standard Version

 

[Shilo]

Is 54:5 For your Maker is your husband--the LORD Almighty is his name--the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer; he is called the God of all the earth
This is what the LORD says--your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel: "I am the LORD your God, who teaches you what is best for you, who directs you in the way you should go is 48:17

Is44:24 24 Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, And He who formed you from the womb:
I am the LORD, who makes all things, Who stretches out the heavens all alone,
Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself;
John 1:33 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. Col 1:16
John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God..
.John 1:14 - And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.
And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light Gen 1:3
John 5:17,18 - &#8220;My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.&#8221; Therefore the Jews sought to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.
John 8:24 - &#8220;Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM He, you will die in your sins.&#8221;
John 14:9-11 - Jesus said to him, &#8220;Have I been with you so long and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?&#8221;
Philippians 2:5-7 - Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bond-servant, and coming in the likeness of men.
1 Timothy 3:16 - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.
I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me is 45:5
John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said to Him, &#8220;My Lord and my God

 

[Shilo]

Isaiah 43:1-13
1 Do not fear&#8212;you are mine, I created you
2 you will be protected
3 I will ransom you because I am your Savior
4 I will exchange you because I love you
5 Do not fear&#8212;I am with you, I will gather you
6 I will call for the regathering of my people
7 gather my people whom I created for my glory
8 Call for blind and deaf (=Israel) to be witnesses for me
9 Challenge for the nations to be witnesses against me,
who can say they foretold this; others say it is true.
10 You are my witnesses, my Servant whom I chose,
I am He
there is no god before or after me
11 I, even I, am the LORD
there is no Savior apart from me
12 I declared, saved, proclaimed
I, not a foreign god
You are my witnesses&#8212;I am God
13 I am He, from the ancient days
no one can deliver out of my hand
I act, and who can reverse it?

 

[zackabba]

>>>>>>>>>Not really..<<<<<<<<


Galations 5:9
A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.


Please read this..




The Damnable English Standard Version​

By David J. Stewart​

The English Standard Version (hereafter referred to as the ESV) is deadly and needs to be exposed! The publishers mislead people when they claim that the ESV is a "word-for-word translation" of the original Greek.1 What they DON'T tell people is that there is a raging debate over which "original" Greek texts are trustworthy. The ESV is based upon an entirely DIFFERENT Greek text than the precious King James Bible. I wouldn't give you a dime for the ESV or any other modern "version" of the Bible, because they're all based upon the corrupt Greek work of heretics Westcott and Hort. Thank God for the reliable King James Bible!
The Bible teaches in John 8:44 that the Devil is a LIAR and the father of all liars. The Bible also teaches in 2nd Corinthians 11:13-14 that Satan masquerades himself as an Angel of Light who relentlessly works to pervert, corrupt and deceive. Satan's teachers are everywhere.
In today's apostate world, few people can distinguish between truth and error. The Word of God is our only defense. This is why Jesus commanded in John 5:39... SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES!!! Is it any wonder why Satan is corrupting the Scriptures to prevent people from obeying Jesus' command in John 5:39? Not at all. The ESV is just another attempt of Satan to malign and twist the Word of God into a lie.

The ESV Corrupts 1st John 5:7
Here's 1st John 5:7 from the ESV...

"For there are three that testify."
​

Now here's the trustworthy King James Bible...

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
​

Obviously, the ESV is not anywhere near accurate and is a lie of the Devil. Like all other corrupt modern versions of God's Word, the ESV removes the GODHEAD.

The ESV Corrupts Philippians 2:6
Now here's Philippians 2:6 from the ESV...

"who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,"
​

Now here's the trustworthy King James Bible...

"Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"
​

Clearly, the ESV robs Jesus Christ of His deity, claiming that He couldn't grasp being equal with God. Yet the King James Bible proclaims that Jesus is Almighty God (Revelation 1:8). God deliver us from the apostasy of our day, from all the Bible-corrupters and Christ-rejecters.
There are THOUSANDS of similar problems with the ESV and a large book could be written exposing it's deceptions and lies. I beseech you my friend, use only the King James Bible (and NOT the New King James Version either, it's corrupted too). Here's a compelling article exposing the numerous problems with the New International Version (NIV) of the Bible. By close comparison, you'll find that the SAME perversions are similar in the ESV and NIV, because they both originate in the same corrupt Greek text of heretics Westcott and Hort.

Lies, Lies and More Lies!
The following is quoted from the official website of the English Standard Version of the Bible...

The English Standard Version (ESV) Bible is a new, essentially literal Bible translation that combines word-for-word precision and accuracy with literary excellence, beauty, and depth of meaning...
SOURCE: Introduction to the ESV Bible
​

What they DON'T tell you is that they are using the CORRUPTED Greek texts of heretics Westcott and Hort, two unsaved men who hated the Word of God. The King James Bible came from an entirely different Greek text (the Textus Receptus) which originated from Antioch, Rome, where believers were first called "Christians" (Acts 11:26). The corrupted Greek text which Westcott and Hort used originated from Egypt.

Second, the ESV is special because it is a “word-for-word” translation. The Bible says every word was “breathed out by God” (2 Timothy 3:16). For this reason, the ESV seeks to translate the original Greek and Hebrew words with the greatest possible accuracy and precision.
SOURCE: Introduction to the ESV Bible
​

How can you have "accuracy and precession" if you have a perverted manuscript to begin with?

Third, the ESV is special because it carries forward the great historic stream of Bible versions in English—with literary excellence, beauty, and depth of meaning, in a fresh and compelling way.
SOURCE: Introduction to the ESV Bible
​

The ESV is a piece of garbage, containing the same lame mumbo-jumbo of the New International Version (NIV). All modern bibles are corrupt because they are all translated from the corrupt Greek texts of Westcott and Hort.
The ESV website further states...

Would you believe it took nearly 500 years to translate the ESV Bible? That’s because the ESV builds on the great translations of the past—including William Tyndale’s New Testament of 1526 and the King James Version (KJV) of 1611.
But the ESV Bible also builds on the best Christian scholarship of the last 100 years. The result is a fresh and compelling Bible translation with a timeless quality, that’s trustworthy and true ...
The result is a Bible that conveys the timeless quality of God’s Word and that remains trustworthy and true to the original words breathed out by God. As Moses wrote more than 3,000 years ago, the words of God are “your very life, and by this word you shall live” (Deuteronomy 32:47).
SOURCE: Introduction to the ESV Bible
​

What a bunch of rubbish! Please don't be deceived by the rhetoric, the ESV is no better than the perverted NIV. They've even stooped as far as to exploit the scholarship King James Translators...

With the greatest respect for the KJV and deep gratitude to its translators for their work, the English Standard Version Translation Team endeavored to carry on the KJV’s historic translation legacy in a way that is fresh and compelling for today and that will endure for generations to come.
SOURCE: From KJV to ESV: A Historical Legacy
​

It may all sound good on the surface (and I'm sure a lot of naive people will buy into the lie); but the ESV translators butchered the Word of God, even denying the Lord's deity in Philippians 2:6. Just as with the NIV, the ESV removes the word "worshipped" in Matthew 8:2, replacing it with the weaker word "knelt." Please read, Worship Jesus. Just as with the NIV perversion, the ESV removes important Biblical terms such as: Godhead, Calvary, Lucifer, sodomite, et cetera. I challenge you to compare all the problems with the NIV to the ESV and you'll find a striking similarity.

Beware of the ESV!
The English Standard Version is of the Devil. There's not a more trustworthy Bible available today in English than the precious King James Bible. Homosexuals, Christ-rejecters, sin-lovers, apostates, liberals, ecumenicals, false teachers who teach false gospels, the self-righteous and sinister ministers will love the ESV.
Westcott and Hort: Translator's Beliefs


The Damnable English Standard Version

...huh...(*sits back and opens up ESV*).

I'm sorry, but the KJV isn't my god. For me, there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

Oh, look! It says the exact same thing in 1 Corinthians 8:6...in the ESV, of all places!


(If you want to start a debate about the KJV, make a new thread.)



Grace and Love

 

[AnandaHya]

So being grown up would be to tolerate and accommodate such inane unbiblical declarations? He wasn't asking. He's TELLING us that Jesus is Adam resurrected. You coddle gross heresy. Grow up... spiritually.

Yes and now he is attacking the letters of Paul and have people taking large bites out of each other. must say its a good days work for the other side. Contention, strife, twisting of scripture....

If he won't listen to God's words why would he listen to ours?

I was reading this passage of scripture yesterday and it kind of popped out.

Ezekiel 14

Idolatry Will Be Punished

1 Now some of the elders of Israel came to me and sat before me. 2 And the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 3 &#8220;Son of man, these men have set up their idols in their hearts, and put before them that which causes them to stumble into iniquity. Should I let Myself be inquired of at all by them?
4 &#8220;Therefore speak to them, and say to them, &#8216;Thus says the Lord GOD: &#8220;Everyone of the house of Israel who sets up his idols in his heart, and puts before him what causes him to stumble into iniquity, and then comes to the prophet, I the LORD will answer him who comes, according to the multitude of his idols, 5 that I may seize the house of Israel by their heart, because they are all estranged from Me by their idols.&#8221;&#8217;

6 &#8220;Therefore say to the house of Israel, &#8216;Thus says the Lord GOD: &#8220;Repent, turn away from your idols, and turn your faces away from all your abominations. 7 For anyone of the house of Israel, or of the strangers who dwell in Israel, who separates himself from Me and sets up his idols in his heart and puts before him what causes him to stumble into iniquity, then comes to a prophet to inquire of him concerning Me, I the LORD will answer him by Myself. 8 I will set My face against that man and make him a sign and a proverb, and I will cut him off from the midst of My people. Then you shall know that I am the LORD.

9 &#8220;And if the prophet is induced to speak anything, I the LORD have induced that prophet, and I will stretch out My hand against him and destroy him from among My people Israel. 10 And they shall bear their iniquity; the punishment of the prophet shall be the same as the punishment of the one who inquired, 11 that the house of Israel may no longer stray from Me, nor be profaned anymore with all their transgressions, but that they may be My people and I may be their God,&#8221; says the Lord GOD.&#8217;&#8221;

so denying Jesus is God and setting up one of your own making in your heart and mind, would that qualify as Idolatry?

anyway moving on to another thread.

if anyone truly wanted to know the answer they would pray and God would reveal His truth to them.

 

[becausehedied]

what is this about Jesus being God and three persons etc.
Im a follower of Jesus christ and have read the bible and I hear people saying Jesus is God why?????

please explain short and clearly,with scripture proof.

thank you.

I have not read the other posts so if this as already been given i apologize.
Mat 1:23 "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel," which is translated, "God with us."

 

[shroom2]

...so denying Jesus is God and setting up one of your own making in your heart and mind, would that qualify as Idolatry?

Just for a second suppose unitarians are right, and there really is "one God the Father...and one Lord Jesus Christ", as the bible plainly says. If you make Jesus Christ God, something he never claimed to be, isn't that idolatry?

 

[zackabba]

Just for a second suppose unitarians are right, and there really is "one God the Father...and one Lord Jesus Christ", as the bible plainly says. If you make Jesus Christ God, something he never claimed to be, isn't that idolatry?

Isn't it strange that, right after He calls Jesus the true God and eternal life, John says "little children, keep away from idols" (1 John 5:20-21)?***

In Revelation 4-5, the Lamb clearly receives the same amount of worship, praise, and adoration as God. If He's not God, then they certainly did commit idolatry (!)

Furthermore, Jesus Himself "led God's sheep astray," for He claimed that believers in Him should honor Him just as they honor God (John 5:23)! He even said that anyone who has seen Him has seen God (John 14:5-14), and that they should hate their family in comparison to their love for Him (Matt. 10:37, Luke 14:26) - Jesus, if He is not God, is the ultimate idol. He claimed to be the Truth, He claimed to be the only Way to God the Father, He claimed to be the very eternal life (John 14:6). If you don't serve Him as God, then you're not serving Him at all.

Jesus is My Lord and My God. And I have full trust that He is the Truth.



***On 1 John 5:20 - it's not completely decisive whether or not Jesus is the "true God and eternal life" referred to by John. On the one hand, only the Father is named "the true God" by Jesus in His earthly prayer (John 17:3). On the other hand, in 1 John, the Father is never called the eternal life (at least before 1 John 5:20, if it is referring to Him - which it is, but on that in a bit) - Christ is clearly called the eternal life 5 times (possibly 8 - 1 John 1:1, 2; 2:24, 3:15, 5:11, 5:12, 5:13). So, I believe that 1 John is referring to the Son - yet many people seem to stop there. In truth, it is not only referring to the Son, but to the Father as well - for they are One, and the One God is "the true God and eternal life."




Grace and Love

 

[shroom2]

He claimed to be the Truth, He claimed to be the only Way to God the Father, He claimed to be the very eternal life (John 14:6).

All true. Absolutely true. We know God through His son. Without what Christ accomplished, we could not be saved.

If you don't serve Him as God, then you're not serving Him at all.

That is your opinion, and is not biblical.

 

[mpaper345]

You are right. God wants us to UNDERSTAND who He is, and who His Son Jesus Christ is. The trinity is beyond comprehension. The "hypostatic union" is a necessary fabrication by trinitarians in an attempt to cause their doctrine to make sense. Nothing can be 100% something and 100% something else. It makes no sense.

Jesus Christ is the SON of God, the second Adam, a MAN. Only God, the Father, is God.

1 Cor 8:6) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

1 Tim 2:5) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Jesus is fully God and fully man,so He can be both.

But the heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain God,so how can He fit in a body,and how can He be both God and man.

God manifest in the flesh means God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus.That is why Christ is the fulness of the Godhead bodily,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God,because God's Spirit cannot be separated.

Take a tub of water.The water is the same substance throughout the tub.Put a glass in the tub.The water fills the glass,but the water in the glass is still connected to the water in the tub,all the same substance.

That is like Jesus,He is an omnipresent Spirit,but there is some flesh that robes some of that Spirit,but the Spirit in the flesh is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit,making Jesus an express image of God,a visible manifestation of God Himself.

The Bible says God is in all,and through all.

God does not flow around physical things,as if they are in His way,but He flows through all His creation,but He is separate from creation,for He is Spirit and it is physical matter.

Christ has the fulness of God's attributes,for it pleased the Father that all fulness should dwell in Christ,and He has the Spirit without measure,and since the Spirit in Christ is connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God,it makes Jesus God,with all the attributes,and an omnipresent Spirit,there just happens to be flesh robed around some of the Spirit so we can see a representation of God,because He is invisible.

Jesus is the invisible God Himself,an omnipresent Spirit,robing some of His Spirit in flesh,so we can see the invisible God in a visible manifestation.

There is only one God,the Father,and the Son is the man Christ Jesus.

14That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
15Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen(1 Timothy 6:14-16).



For people who think Jesus is only a man,He is the blessed and only ruler,and He dwells in the light which no man can approach unto,and no man can ever see Jesus,and no man will ever see Jesus


We will never be able to see Jesus,because He is an invisible God.We can only see Jesus if He shows us a visible manifestation.


2But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting(Micah 5:2).


How can Jesus only be a man,when His goings forth have been from of old,from everlasting,meaning He has no beginning,and the ruler to come forth unto God is the man Christ Jesus,showing Jesus is fully God and fully man.


We have the Spirit in us,so we are God and person together,and we do not think it strange,but we have the Spirit with measure.


Christ has the Spirit in Him,God and man together,but Christ is the fulness of the Spirit,making Him fully God and fully man,and the man Christ Jesus is the personal human body of God,for the throne in heaven is the throne of both God and the Lamb,God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.


How can Jesus be at the right hand of God,which means to exercise the throne of power,unless His deity is God,which He will exercise the throne of power until His enemies are conquered.

Why would God give all power in heaven and earth to a man unless His deity is God.


God can exalt the man Christ Jesus for His deity is God.



God said He does not give His glory to another,but we read of Jesus having the glory of God,and receiving glory and praises and worship.


How can an ordinary man receive the things the man Christ Jesus has received unless His deity is God.

 

[dbj72]

Paul's letters are every bit the word of God as is the OT law. The OT law was written to Israel. Paul's epistles are written to Christians.

Sorry Shroom but I dont agree. The 5 books of Moses were translated directly from God on the mount to Moses. That is not what happened to Paul so I am sorry I do not see them in the same vein but I do think that they are inspirational.

Now what Yeshua said is an explanation of what God had sent down and what he wanted Israel to keep.

 

[JaumeJ]

How can you claim to be a follower of Jesus Christ, and not adhere to His teachings? This forum is for those who believe His Word. If you are simply here to be provocative, it is the wrong forum for you my friend.

 

[Tobby17]

Am i wrong if i say..

Hello Antichrists, how you all doing?

 

[AnandaHya]

Am i wrong if i say..

Hello Antichrists, how you all doing?

maybe you're just voicing what some of us are thinking....


Jude 1:3-5
New King James Version (NKJV)

3 Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. 4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.

5 But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.


there is only ONE God if Jesus is NOT God then why would you worship Him?

there are many prophets of God. Look at Elisha, he raised people from the dead as well (2 kings 4).

However Elisha was NOT the Christ. Elisha was NOT Immanuel.

Anyways as God taught us...


Romans 16

17 Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. 18 For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus[d] Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple. 19 For your obedience has become known to all. Therefore I am glad on your behalf; but I want you to be wise in what is good, and simple concerning evil. 20 And the God of peace will crush Satan under your feet shortly.
The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

 

[Tobby17]

maybe you're just voicing what some of us are thinking....

Oh i'm so glad it not just me who's thinking it..

 

[TheAristocat]

I too have had a problem with this through my studies. It just doesn't make sense. God made a virgin pregnant, with himself...so he could die so that our sins would be forgiven by him.

I know the scripture doesn't agree with that, but that has always been a big red flag for me. It is one area where I think the Mormons might have a better explanation.

*ducks head*

Here's an explanation as to why God's death was needed in the form of a sacrifice to make us right with him (it addresses the problem of hypocrisy, free will and what atonement means):

1. If God just changed Satan into a benevolent being, then he would have had to do away with Satan's free will. Satan's will is against God's.

2. God requires the death of the sinner. Why? Because sin ultimately leads to death. Satan's sin can be seen all over the world today: wars, lies, thieving, murdering. Although it sounds hypocritical at first, killing an unrepentant murderer to do away with death is a logical option. Otherwise the murderer, with his free will, will just murder again. Sin leads to death, so the sinner must die to cause death to cease.

3. If God required a death penalty of sinners with no atonement, then he would have no creation because all of his creation would die.

4. To make atonement does not necessarily imply a sacrifice. But if he did not sacrifice (i.e. kill) himself to make atonement for our lives then he would be holding himself to a different standard than he held us to and this would be hypocritical. God does not like hypocrisy.

5. Atonement means "buying back". If Christ had sinned then Christ would have died for his own sins, and we would have died for our own sins as well. Christ's sacrifice then would have no atoning value. This is why Christ had to be sinless. Otherwise he would have died a sinner's death in vain.

The Bible also states that no one is sinless but God. While it could be argued that the term "theos" (i.e. god in the Greek) can refer to el/elohiym and such terms in turn can refer to powers rather than the ultimate power of the universe - God, still the term we have to go on for Christ is "theos" which does mean God or a god. I've had this discussion with another who did not believe that Jesus was God, and she raised some interesting points. But all the same I still concluded that Christ was God. I think there is enough evidence from the Bible and philosophy to support that position. Just look at Jehovah appearing to Abraham as one of three men - the other two men being angels.

Sure, one can say that Jesus was human flesh and therefore was not technically God. I tend to agree with part of that line of reasoning, but we, ourselves, are not only flesh but also spirit. And Jesus' spirit was God. So, Jesus' flesh aside, what does that make him?

 

[shroom2]

...Sure, one can say that Jesus was human flesh and therefore was not technically God. I tend to agree with part of that line of reasoning, but we, ourselves, are not only flesh but also spirit. And Jesus' spirit was God. So, Jesus' flesh aside, what does that make him?

Where do you get that idea? Jesus' spirit was holy spirit from God, just as our spirit is holy spirit from God.

Jesus' FATHER is God. He worshiped, and prayed to God, his father.

 

[TheAristocat]

Where do you get that idea? Jesus' spirit was holy spirit from God, just as our spirit is holy spirit from God.

Jesus' FATHER is God. He worshiped, and prayed to God, his father.

God also spoke with himself in the creation of the world, he took the form of a man more than once (technically, though, man was made in his image so he was only taking his own form), and Jesus was sinless.

I think there is more to us than flesh before we receive the Holy Spirit. Look at even the illustrations of men who die, shedding their flesh, and are sent to hell. I believe we each have a spirit, but though that spirit comes from God as everything else does, I don't believe it is one with the Holy Spirit necessarily. To illustrate this, is Satan one with the Holy Spirit? My point is that Jesus' spirit was none other than the Holy Spirit.

 

[AnandaHya]

In contrast we are Taught by the Holy Spirit and our spirit is able to say Abba Father because we have the Holy Spirit within us but there is a difference between OUR Spirits and God's Holy Spirit as seen in these verses:

Romans 8:14-16
New King James Version (NKJV)
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, &#8220;Abba, Father.&#8221; 16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,

 

[truthfull]

THEY say Jesus is God
JESUS said I AM the son of God : I do the will of Him who has sent me

who do you believe ? Jesus or They