jesus is not God

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dbj72 said:
All I can say is be careful what you say my salvation is hard enough without going around commenting on others who profess to love God.
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Dbj, I ask you this simple question my friend, Galatians Chapter 4 verse chapter 16. If so then there is nothing more to say.
 
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Jesus is God's son. Not a hard one to figure out really. He has part of God in him, of course. But he is not God.
 
If he was God, that would be saying that God himself is part human. He cannot be part human. Only his son can.
 
Mediate said:
If he was God, that would be saying that God himself is part human. He cannot be part human. Only his son can.
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All things were created by him and for him and by him all things consist. How is that not God? Jesus said that if you've seen him you've seen the father. Scripture says that he's the image of the invisible God. It also says that he's the express image of the father's person. Tell me, how is that not God?

Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"

We shouldn't worship anyone but God right? But The Father told the angels to worship Jesus.

"And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."


Also can you tell me who the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the end is? Jesus says that he is the Alpha and the Omega and the Beginning and the ending in revelation.

"And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

Thomas also fell on his face and called Jesus his Lord and his God and Jesus did not contest and say "Don't worship me, I'm not God." Like the angel did that John tried to worship. Either Jesus is a liar, a sinner or he's God made flesh.
 
"Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood." (Acts 20:28)

...either God bleeds or the Holy Spirit bleeds or Jesus is God... :)
 
Luke chapter 19 verses 35-40: Verse 35: And they brought him to Jesus: and they cast their garments upon the colt, and they set Jesus thereon. Verse 36: And as he went, they spread their clothes in the way. Verse 37: And when he was come nigh, even now at the the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen. Verse 38: Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest. Verse 39: And some of the Pharisees from among the the multitude said to him, Master, rebuke they disciples. Verse 40: And he answered and said, I tell you the that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.

To those who think that Jesus and the Father are the same, how is it that Jesus is praying to the Father in the garden? He surely is not praying to himself. Jesus is God's first born Son, and He is one with the Father, and the Holy Spirit is the helper. These three are one, because they are divinely connected together and Jesus plainly told them that whatsoever the Father doeth, the Son doeth also because the Son doeth the things that please His Father. He also prayed in the garden of gethsemane that we ( his faithful sheep who are denying the flesh, and are obediant to the Word, not carnal and seeking earthly glory) would be one as They are one. He prayed that we would be where He is, and would behold his glory. Where is he? He is at the right hand of the Father! Great is my King, my Lord, and my God!
 
Nalu said:
Dbj, I ask you this simple question my friend, Galatians Chapter 4 verse chapter 16. If so then there is nothing more to say.
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For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:

14And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.

15But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,

16To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

Be careful that you are not exceedingly zealous of the traditions of your fathers which causes you to see heathens where there is none
 
becausehedied said:
The NKJV
Php 2:6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, (NKJV)
Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: (KJV)
Php 2:6 who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped, (ASV)
Php 2:6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, (NIV)
Php 2:6 who, though he was God, did not demand and cling to his rights as God, (LB)

No offense to you either but,
perhaps I should ask what version you use.
If you would like more translations of this verse I can provide them.
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I have several versions. I personally use the New American Standard, English Standard Version, and occassionally the New International Version however, I have none of them with me at the moment. I'm working in one state while my personal library is in another. Thank the Lord for Biblegateway.com! *lol*

 
dbj72 said:
For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:

14And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.

15But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,

16To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

Be careful that you are not exceedingly zealous of the traditions of your fathers which causes you to see heathens where there is none
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Jesus is God. Whoever cannot see this simple truth is indeed blind. Perhaps you are the one that should be careful.
 
dbj72 said:
All I can say is be careful what you say my salvation is hard enough without going around commenting on others who profess to love God.
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I see you mention a very important word, that word is Salvation.

If it were not for Jesus Christ, this Salvation you speak of would not be made available to you.

There are three Persons in the Godhead, the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost; and these three are one God, the same in substance, equal in power and glory. (The Westminster Confession).

I pray that this simple Truth be revealed to you while you still have a chance.
 
Nalu said:
Jesus is God. Whoever cannot see this simple truth is indeed blind. Perhaps you are the one that should be careful.
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dbj72, I speak to you with respect, even though my tone is firm. Shakes hand's.
I just feel I needed to say that.
 
Nalu said:
dbj72, I speak to you with respect, even though my tone is firm. Shakes hand's.
I just feel I needed to say that.
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Dont worry Nalu I take nothing you say personal because I know who I am in the Lord and am happy, I just refuse to comment on other peoples salvation as I do not know or understand the mind of God.

In love
 
dbj72 said:
Dont worry Nalu I take nothing you say personal because I know who I am in the Lord and am happy, I just refuse to comment on other peoples salvation as I do not know or understand the mind of God.

In love
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Merry Christmas and God bless you.
 
So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jews persecuted him. Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working.” For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God. (John 5:16-18)


Son of God = equal with God
 
truthfull said:
what is this about Jesus being God and three persons etc.
Im a follower of Jesus christ and have read the bible and I hear people saying Jesus is God why?????

please explain short and clearly,with scripture proof.

thank you.
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I believe Jesus is God in flesh.

"Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a son,
and his name shall be called Emmanuel"
(which means, God with us). Matt 1:23 RSV
 
If Jesus was not God then His Sacrifice could not have the power to save people 2000+ yrs after the fact.

Only because Jesus is God does His Sacrifice have the power to save people even right now. Lots of other people died for the sake of Christianity. But only one person can save you. God. The Lord Jesus Christ says He is God in the bible. Before Abraham was I Am. Thats who God says His name was when Moses asked Him.

God is eternal. But for a moment He humbled Himself and took on flesh. He became a man so He could save us from our sins. He became the Sacrificial Lamb that He taught the Jews was needed for atonement of our souls.

The Perfect Lamb of God was much more than a mere "good teacher". And He says so in His Word.

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
 
truthfull said:
you believe when you call God Father that youre equal to God?
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I'm not the unique Son of God in the way Jesus described Himself as.


Or, do you work the same things that your Father works? Are you the one Judge over all? Do you only do what you see your Father doing?


As humans we would like to degrade Jesus to our level - He is human, of course, but perfectly human and perfectly God. We are not.
 
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