jesus is not God

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truthfull said:
THEY say Jesus is God
JESUS said I AM the son of God : I do the will of Him who has sent me

who do you believe ? Jesus or They
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John 8:58-59
(58) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
(59) Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Do you know why they tried to stone Him?
Exodus 3:14
(14) And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Jesus also said this
John 14:15
(15) If ye love me, keep my commandments.

This statement that Jesus made comes from the 10 commandments
Exodus 20:6
(6) And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

So Jesus is saying that He is the I AM, He is the one who gave the 10 commandments.

So the question is will you believe the words of Jesus?

 
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peterT said:
This might help

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 10:30 I and [my] Father are one.
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Good post.
 
As everyone is well aware, we have cult member's among us.

Their tactic's are simple, they attempt to discredit Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ is God. Jesus Christ is the only way a person can be Saved.

Another tactic they use is to discredit the Bible. The Bible and the Bible alone in it's entirety is the Word of God.
The Bible is complete and does not require any augmentation. No teaching's outside of the Bible (period).

Cult member's, like wolves operate in pack's. They realize that if they can separate a person from Jesus Christ and the Bible, that they can deceive them.
Once a person is deceived sufficiently, they will indoctrinate the person with distortions found in other books.

I applaud Christian Chat.com for allowing these wolves to roam freely because this is exactly how the world operates. If Believer's are sheltered, they become weak. Notice Jesus did not destroy the scribe's and pharisee's. In Jesus day the scribes and pharisee's were part of the landscape, an integral part of everyday life.

So Brother's and Sister's who know the Truth, don't ever become weary of defending the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We were born for this.
 
shroom2 said:
All true. Absolutely true. We know God through His son. Without what Christ accomplished, we could not be saved.


That is your opinion, and is not biblical.
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If you do not believe that I am, you will die in your sins.


What did He mean by the "I am" ?

They asked Him what He meant by it, and He said "just what I've been telling you all along."

He certainly was "hinting" that He was the Messiah...but there was something more to Him.

For before Abraham was, He existed.


(this can all be found in John 8)
 
dbj72 said:
shroom2 said:
Sorry Shroom but I dont agree. The 5 books of Moses were translated directly from God on the mount to Moses. That is not what happened to Paul so I am sorry I do not see them in the same vein but I do think that they are inspirational.

Now what Yeshua said is an explanation of what God had sent down and what he wanted Israel to keep.
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So apparently you do not believe this verses:

2 Tim 3:16) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Do you believe some parts of the bible are God's Word and some aren't?
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zackabba said:
Personally, I like to take the Gospels as a whole, including the rest of the Bible, instead of looking at one specific verse. I posted John 8:58 on here - if we look at the context, the case for the deity of Christ is stronger, for His assertion was pure blasphemy to the Jews.

Now, let's look at Luke 3:28 and 38:

Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli...(go through the genealogy to...)...the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God. (Luke 3:28, 38).


Jesus's genealogy was traced through Joseph by Luke). The ending, where it says "the son of God," could be referring to Adam, but most likely to Jesus (see 1:32), the "second Adam" from heaven (1 Corinthians 15:47).

Through human descent He was the Son of God. However, this does not mean that He never existed before being conceived by Mary.
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Exodus3:14 John8:58 they understood what Jesus was saying and yep where ready to stone him Clearly Jesus declaring His Deity, also He had all authority and rebuked openly im sure if Thomas called him Lord and God and was in Err Jesus would of said something about him being in err. God bless
 
Nalu said:
As everyone is well aware, we have cult member's among us.

Their tactic's are simple, they attempt to discredit Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ is God. Jesus Christ is the only way a person can be Saved.

Another tactic they use is to discredit the Bible. The Bible and the Bible alone in it's entirety is the Word of God.
The Bible is complete and does not require any augmentation. No teaching's outside of the Bible (period).

Cult member's, like wolves operate in pack's. They realize that if they can separate a person from Jesus Christ and the Bible, that they can deceive them.
Once a person is deceived sufficiently, they will indoctrinate the person with distortions found in other books.

I applaud Christian Chat.com for allowing these wolves to roam freely because this is exactly how the world operates. If Believer's are sheltered, they become weak. Notice Jesus did not destroy the scribe's and pharisee's. In Jesus day the scribes and pharisee's were part of the landscape, an integral part of everyday life.

So Brother's and Sister's who know the Truth, don't ever become weary of defending the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We were born for this.
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AmenNalu well put and also good to see you:)
 
zackabba said:
If you do not believe that I am, you will die in your sins.


What did He mean by the "I am" ?
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That he was the Christ.

They asked Him what He meant by it, and He said "just what I've been telling you all along."

He certainly was "hinting" that He was the Messiah...but there was something more to Him.
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What more could he possibly be than the messiah? He is the Christ, the Messiah, the only begotten son of God.

For before Abraham was, He existed.
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Only in prophesy. He began in the womb of Mary, fathered by God. He is the promised seed.

There is one God, the Father, and one Lord Jesus Christ.

There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

Jesus Christ prayed to God, his father, who Jesus plainly said was superior to him.
 
John 8:57 “You are not yet fifty years old,” they said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!” 58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”

did he ment before Abraham was born he was already or did he ment before Abraham was born my name is I am???
look at what they ask him.


4 When the LORD saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the bush, “Moses! Moses!”
And Moses said, “Here I am

does this mean that Moses was calling God or does this mean that Moses was responding to the call.

and if some people are afraid of debating than why opening/entering a debating forum doesnt the title say Bible discussion forum

and please doent judge other people being wolfes or cults if you can say anything good its better to say nothing at all
only the scripture with your point of view is good enough.
 


I am a little taken back how some people can not comprehend the duality of Christ, that He was both God and a man. Jesus was the word (seed) of God planted in a woman by the Holy Spirit. Jesus, originating from God, was equal to God in every way yet did not count equality with God as something to be grasped. In other words, out of love for mankind, Jesus denied His own divinity as the Son (seed) of God by humbling Himself and becoming a man in every way. Jesus did indeed possess His own distinct personality apart from the Father - HOWEVER- Jesus, willingly forfeited His own will (the flesh) surrendering all to the will of the Father through the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit so that believers in Christ might follow His example and do the same.

To sum things up, Jesus, although a man in every way, was capable of manifesting the divine supernatural nature of God through the empowerment of the Holy Spirit. Thus Jesus was both God and a man simultaneously.

 
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Crossfire said:


I am a little taken back how some people can not comprehend the duality of Christ, that He was both God and a man. Jesus was the word (seed) of God planted in a woman by the Holy Spirit. Jesus, originating from God, was equal to God in every way yet did not count equality with God as something to be grasped. In other words, out of love for mankind, Jesus denied His own divinity as the Son (seed) of God by humbling Himself and becoming a man in every way. Jesus did indeed possess His own distinct personality apart from the Father - HOWEVER- Jesus, willingly forfeited His own will (the flesh) surrendering all to the will of the Father through the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit so that believers in Christ might follow His example and do the same.

To sum things up, Jesus, although a man in every way, was capable of manifesting the divine supernatural nature of God through the empowerment of the Holy Spirit. Thus Jesus was both God and a man simultaneously.

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I am taken aback that anyone can say they comprehend the trinity and the "dual nature" of Christ. Neither concept is in the bible, and neither makes sense.

This does make sense:
1 Cor 8:6) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Do you see what is plainly written? There is one God, the Father, and one Lord, Jesus Christ. The Father is God, our Lord is Jesus Christ.
 
you should not judge,,,shall you judge?,,,,,,,is he the Christ? make up your mind,,,if he is not the Christ and that is your judgment,then you are as the Jew,,,,,,,but if he is the Christ,and you will not judge then you are "Luke warm",,,,,,,,,,,,,"what is your judgement",,,,,,,,,is he the "Christ",,,, "is he god",,,,,is he "Michael?",,,,,,,,,,,ye who judge who is he?,,,,,,,,,,,"you are dead from this bite of the tree of knowledge",,,,,,,,,,you must "judge",,,,,,,,is he the "messiah",,,,if you say "no" then you deny that he is the messiah,,,and if you say "yes",,you have judged,,,,,,,,,,,,and your judgment will be with you forever,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but you must "judge",,,,,,,,what is your "judgment"?????????????
 
"you will not say to me,, whom is the Christ?????",,,,,,,,,you will not confess your faith?????????????
 
hi im new.....thus was JESUS IN FRENCH SAYS I AM.....GOD SAID TO MOSES I AM WHO I AM OR WAS IT A SILENT H CONSIDERING THE FRENCH..thus i am woud say hiam who=he in hebrew or is it she thus it mixed cuz gods both he and she as for formality reason..74 is the number of chist . i do numerology and after the same results in different area and reason 74 is the number of christ..75 is the passage of creator 72 are the islands we live 76 is the spirit of man and god 7 and 6...7 and nine are taken for birth and gog....thus we have 74 for christ and his color is yellow....he is the golden son of god it was for he christ god made this planet we live....we are not where everyone thinks we are as planet 7 and 4 are mars and uranus.. the 10 /10 planet of earth is also uranus the 4 is mars and its 10?10 connect is saturn thus we must be near satern...go look at the son tommorow it is larger and you can almost see into it in late afternoon...roulette...add all numbers from 1 to 36 in this # box the center will be 74 and if you ad up each row you get 4 rows at 222=74+74+74=222..thus 2 croses t+x=1776..thus 2010 was the end of the cycle eleninin X1 1X OR X 11 X =11:00=GAME OVER 00 ARE THE EGGS OF BIRTH WHEN 11 CALLS IN THE EGGS GAMES COME TO A CLOSE THUS 7+4=11...SAM SPIRIT ANGEL MAN =33 ANOTHER NUMBER OF CHRIST....GOD IS ONE HE WON ONE WINS WON AND IS ONE YO ELEV.....
 
yes and even the spirit of "antichrist",,,,,he is them who will not confess that the Christ is come in the flesh,,judge this matter
 
truthfull said:
John 8:57 “You are not yet fifty years old,” they said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!” 58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”

did he ment before Abraham was born he was already or did he ment before Abraham was born my name is I am???
look at what they ask him.


4 When the LORD saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the bush, “Moses! Moses!”
And Moses said, “Here I am

does this mean that Moses was calling God or does this mean that Moses was responding to the call.

and if some people are afraid of debating than why opening/entering a debating forum doesnt the title say Bible discussion forum

and please doent judge other people being wolfes or cults if you can say anything good its better to say nothing at all
only the scripture with your point of view is good enough.
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I don't get what you're trying to get at with this. What does Moses saying "Here I am" have to do with it?

Jesus was saying "Before Abraham was, I existed."


I don't know how much clearer you can get than that.



Oh, and of course, no one has explained the 1 Peter passage yet.




Grace and Love
 
confessing that Jesus is the Christ or messiah doesnt say he is God

Christ doesnt mean God it means the annointed one

CHRIST translated in hebrew : MESSIAH

many people really dont know what the meaning of the words are, using words without knowing
 
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