Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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And the trash is exactly where heresies belong......Lol have read a majority of them already, except for Dane Ortlund, D.A. Carson, John Frame.
I have even read Marin Lloyd Jones, and many others, guess what I donated all those books to the trash when I realized they were wrong.
Sad you have been taken in.
I think those of us who left this faulty "system" like @Kroogz and @cv5 and myself know exactly what is teaches.
and the answer is by God's design flower do open there buds to pollination, but many pollinate themselves first.
A real lesson to be learned here if your interested m
Correct. There is always the one and only correct view/interpretation, and it seems few there be that find it.
Such as the correct view of the Jericho evangelism campaign for example. The PRIMARY purpose of which was to SAVE Rahab, the Gibeonites, and all those who wisely FLED the city and region BECAUSE of all of the warnings and omens that God mercifully provided.
Those who CHOSE to be God's enemies got wiped out of course.
And there is no doubt that ALL those who truly wanted to be saved got saved. God's arm is not shortened....
As for the indolent and lazy and scornful and their supposed views? Fuggetaboutit.
They CHOOSE not to know, despite the many opportunities provided.
Because we are not yet in our resurrection body!
We can still sin if we so choose, in weakness.
But, here is God's provision for when we do.
If we confess/acknowledge our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins
and purify us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9
It is between you and God.
No one else!
Just acknowledge your sin to God, and He is faithful, and will always forgive.
It is nobody's business but you and God.
Idol Killer is great... another one who escaped Calvinism I believe.
That is one crazy sermon, but that video is awesome!!!
Thanks for sharing, in a weird way very encouraging after this thread.
The passage above does not teach that God loves sinners. The "proof text" you provide is about people's love.
You're truly grasping at straws by citing this passage.Your explanations are useless because God's grace was given to His elect IN CHRIST in eternity -- before any of us existed. Therefore, the basis for humility must be Christ himself.
Well, we know you do not care about truth, since you misrepresent it so very often, and not only Scripture, but the views of others, your own self, and also the record of history, because you love your logical fallacies as much as your falsehoods. And we have never seen you admit you were wrong about something, or beg forgiveness for your repeated false depictions of what the Bile says, or even for blaspheming God, which you have done a number of times... no apologies there, no begging forgiveness, not even saying you should not have said the things you have. No, instead you claim you are defending God's character, even as you support others who shamelessly blaspheme God. When you are corrected, when you contradict and deny what the Bible explicitly articulates, and it is pointed out to you again and again what it actually says, you simply repeat what you have been saying all along, and tell us relevant verses have been taken out of context. So despite what you have said here, it is you who is suppressing the Truth, you and your Pelagian heretic buddies, and the other free willers, who we have to wonder if they have ever even read Scripture at all, because like you they contradict and outright deny so much of what is said... and when you and they are not doing that, you are rewriting what Scripture actually says, to make it say not what it actually does, but what you want it to, so it better suits your presups.
Scripture says, the world cannot receive the spirit of truth. Your view is, it can. Scripture says the man of flesh (unregenerated) cannot submit to or obey God. Your view is, he can. Scripture says the natural man cannot receive the spiritual things of God. Your view is, he can. Scripture says the natural man cannot understand the spiritual things of God. Your view is, he can. Scripture says a bad tree cannot bring forth good fruit. Your view is, it can. Scripture says the natural man is opposed to the spiritual things of God. Your view is, he is not. Scripture says the gospel is hid. Your view is, the gospel is not hid. Jesus said not everyone hears. Your view is, everyone hears. Scripture says flesh serves the law of sin and brings forth fruit unto death. Your view is, the flesh can choose to make a decision a plethora of Scriptures say it cannot, to please God and bring forth fruit unto life. Scripture says the devil has taken people captive to do his will. Your view is, man has a will that is free. Scripture says no man can come to God unless God draws them. Your view is, divine intervention is not necessary. Your view is, man has everything he needs to come to believe. Scripture makes plain certain things are only known through the Spirit and revelation which you continually denigrate. Scripture shows over and over again from Genesis all the way through to Revelation that God reveals Himself differently from one person to the next. Your view is, God is unfair if He were to reveal Himself in any way differently from one person to the next. Your view is those you disagree with should preach in cemeteries, then you lie about conflating spiritual death with physical death. Your view is to not only blaspheme God yourself, but agree with those who blaspheme God in other ways. Along with other free willers, you come across as despising God's sovereignty, and call Him doing things for His own purposes doing them "for no good reason." No matter how you look at it, your theological stance on this issue directly contradicts and outright denies what the Bible explicitly articulates in a number of places, and you are not likely to change it any time soon because to bring your view into line with what Scripture actually teaches would bring your whole house of cards down, and demolish your vain self-exalting stance. You cannot have that, since you are far too attached to your ear-tickling doctrine. One could even say you were in love with it. You certainly love it more than the Truth of Scripture.
"Luther said"...."Luther said".....
There is your problem Sproul......your Church and dogma invariantly predicated upon the opinions of a man named Luther.
A "Church" based upon a man-centric fraudulent foundation is a very bad idea.
Jesus had much to say in this matter.....
But those earnestly seeking WILL find it.....
Luk 11:9
And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
Yes I missed some of that dialogue, I completely agree, that is always the correct lens about how to view God's actions.
Of course they are "scornful" just like the god they have created in their small little minds... they seriously believe "god chooses a people and then creates that people."
These FWers are totally delusional. We have one who sees A&E's "faith" in Gen 3:15. Another who sees heroism on the part of Adam because Adam so loved his wife Eve he sacrificed himself for her by participating in her sin. And now we have one who sees God's intention to save Jericho that God fully intended to destroy. And then they glibly accuse Doctrines of Grace believers of quoting scriptures out of context and/or using eisegesis as our method of interpretation. Talk about their very black blindness!
I understand. We have people who repeatedly misrepresent what we say, what they say, what Scripture
says, but in their minds, they are justified for saying the most foul things they can dredge up from the
depths of their wicked imaginations and claim that is what we believe, all because they are attached
to their lies, and will go to any length to defend them, with any length including blaspheming God
repeatedly. They rewrite the very words of Jesus Christ Himself to prop up their heresies.
Because they have no love or joy in the truth. As lovers of themselves, they love the lie they and others before them have invented.
And yet no one has shown "regeneration before faith" explicitly taught in scripture.
Til you can make a good case connecting this supposed "total inability" to soteriology, the doctrine has no legs, it it still running on very light implication or eisegesis.
actually it was his permissive will. That I shouldn't read to much into your will from your flesh driving your ideology freedom thoughtsYou didn't read everything I said. But I guess that's your choice.