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    When are we saved ?

    I can only say what the Scripture says. Everyone who came to, everyone who believed on Jesus was drawn by the Father
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    When are we saved ?

    They were saved by faith in the Old Testament. Same as today.
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    When are we saved ?

    What prevented the rich young ruler from coming to Jesus in the passage above? His love of money. Are unsaved people any different today that they were before the cross? If a person's sin and unbelief is the ONLY reason they will not come to Christ, what changed after the cross as far as...
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    When are we saved ?

    Did Jesus disciples believe on the death, burial and resurrection at that time?
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    When are we saved ?

    Did the man get saved? Could he have?
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    When are we saved ?

    No one can ( is able to)come to me unless the Father draws them. Remember? There’s that pesky inability again. The people who came to Jesus during His earthly ministry were drawn.
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    When are we saved ?

    Jesus was showing him what was preventing him from receiving eternal life. Love of money
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    When are we saved ?

    The passage demonstrates human inability. (with men this is IMPOSSIBLE) What changed after the cross to mitigate this human inability?
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    When are we saved ?

    Are you saying that the man was saved?
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    When are we saved ?

    So you're saying that what Jesus said in Mark 10:23-27 was true before the cross, but no longer true after the cross? Considering the fact that the ONLY THING that was keeping the man from following Jesus was His love of money, what changed at the cross to mitigate this type of thing in unsaved...
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    When are we saved ?

    [/I] If that was all what certain traditions and denominations meant by previenient grace ,but they don't. They teach that a ' partial regeneration ' or a to be made free in some sense to be able to believe with the choice also to resist. Some couch this in different terms but essentially...
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    When are we saved ?

    Was it God that was preventing the rich young ruler from coming to Jesus? No. It was HIS LOVE OF MONEY that was preventing him from coming to Jesus, right? SO are you saying that unsaved people by nature now are LESS SINFUL and LOVE THEIR SIN LESS after the cross then they were before the...
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    When are we saved ?

    Just as- The blessings given to us in Christ are in accordance with the following. God is the subject of the sentence. He is the performer of the verb action. Chose is the verb. He actively chose us. Us is the direct object. A direct object is the receiver of the verb or the one that the verb...
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    When are we saved ?

    they cannot see the clear meaning, of course. What do you see in the words. It's not like we can make words mean whatever we please, right?
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    When are we saved ?

    17 Now as He was going out on the road, one came running, knelt before Him, and asked Him, “Good Teacher, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?” 18 So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. 19 You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit...
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    When are we saved ?

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    When are we saved ?

    So the answer is to my question is yes, I see.
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    When are we saved ?

    Do people who never come to believe the Gospel become God's chosen?
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    When are we saved ?

    ' God did determine to save those who believe. If God doesn't save us, we're unsavable.
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    When are we saved ?

    So are you saying that God didn't know and doesn't know everything?