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Are you saying God had nothing to do with the fact that you believed the Gospel?

And He chose those whom He knew would believe. You have them being chosen in time after they believe based on faith. I have them chosen before time based on foreknowledge. Either way, God is choosing some and not choosing others, right? In your theology, God is not choosing people who don't...

Where does the Bible say God determined who would not believe?

No. God determined to save those who believe. And He knew every one of them by name.

No. He blesses us in time, according to the fact that He chose us before time The thing that took place before the foundation of the world was God chose us.

I will say that the only consistent argument for denying election based on foreknowledge is open theism.

Is a person’s eternal destiny ever tbd, ie not known, in the mind of God?

It’s a simple question. Was a believers salvation ever undetermined or undeterminable with God?

The Bible does not say God chose people for hell. NOWHERE! Election is always about believers.

So where is vocational purpose mentioned in the context?

No, I do not hold to the Calvinist position God has perfect foreknowledge. Always has had perfect foreknowledge. Because of this, our election and salvation was never undetermined with Him. He has always known us. And He has blessed us with every spiritual blessings. These blessings are in...

Was the election of believers ever undetermined in the mind of God??

Say a guy is going to get saved tommorow. Is his salvation undetermined with God today? Impossible.

Didn’t you say earlier and didn’t the guy on the video say that Ephesians 1:4 was talking about vocational calling? How does God choose one’s vocational calling when their salvation is undetermined? And is ANYONE’S eternal destiny ever undeterminable with God. Hardly possible.

What does Ephesians 1:1-4. Romans 8:28-30 etc say?

Is Ephesians 1:1-14 ( and the rest of the chapter) about all believers or not?

Eleventh, and throughfaith, and Fredo can say that Paul really didn’t mean that God chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world, but I think that’s pretty dangerous.

No one says we existed or were saved before the foundation of the world Ephesians says according as He chose US in Christ before the foundation of the world.” Now if you and through and eleventh want to say Paul was wrong to say thatGod CHOSE US in Christ before the foundation of the world...

Jesus pre existed. We did not pre exist. There, that’s settled.

Ephesians 1 says we were chosen before the foundation of the world. I know of no scripture that says we were saved before we were saved by faith though. I don’t know how you reach that conclusion.