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who said we were in Christ before Gen 1:1. Lol

The issue is your misuse of the phrase “in Him” to try to negate the fact that God chose us before the foundation of the world on the basis that we did not exist yet “God chose us in Him”...has nothing to do with when we began to exist. “In Him” modifies the verb, not the direct object.

But you agree that the phrase “in Christ Jesus” in 2 Thess. 1:9 is not IN ANY WAY talking about us existing or being in Christ when the verb “ was given” was performed, right A simple yes or no please.

“ ...was given to us in Christ Jesus before the world began...” 2 Thessalonians 1:9 This phrase “ in Christ” doesn’t say we were in Christ Jesus when the verb is performed, does it? Doesn’t mean that in any way, right? The same is true in Ephesians 1:4. The phrase in Him doesn’t mean we were...

No fog at all “In Christ” in Ephesians 1:4 is in reference to the verb, not the direct object of the verb. It has nothing to do with our existence. It’s telling us something about God’s choice.

“In Christ” has nada to do with that in 2 Thessalonians 2:9 or Ephesians 1:4. “In Christ” is in reference to the verbs ( chose and was given) not the direct objects (us). Very simple. Nothing to do with whether we existed or not when God performed the actions Simple grammar

You also exposed the fallacious argument of the guy in the video you posted yesterday.

In the bolded part of your quote above, you completely refuted your own argument If God can give us things in Christ before we are in Christ, it follows that He can also choose us in Christ before we are in Christ. You pulled to rug out from under your own feet.

Here is one of your responses to 2 Timothy 1:9. Look at the part in RED. You admit that God gave us certain things before the world began, but we don't receive them until we are in Christ Jesus. In other words, given before time and received in time. SOUND FAMILIAR???? SAME argument I am...

You had NO ARGUMENT except the "we weren't in Christ until we were saved" argument, and 2 Timothy 1: 9 invalidates that argument in english and in Greek. revealing that that argument is based on a serious error in interpretation on your part. So please answer the question that is on the table.

You have not stated what "given to us in Christ Jesus before the world began" means. I've answered a number of your questions numerous times, over and over again. So please show the same courtesy and answer this question for me.

In 2 Timothy 1:9, what does the phrase 'given to us in Christ Jesus before the world began" mean?

He did choose people to be holy and without blame before Him in love. And in addition, It has already been demonstrated CLEARLY that the phrase "in Him" has nothing to do with our spatial existence or with us at all. "in Christ" is in reference to the VERB, not the object. See 2 Timothy 1:9...

Put back into Christ? Where does the Bible say that we were in Christ before we were placed in Christ when we were saved? It has already been demonstrated CLEARLY that the phrase "in Him" has nothing to do with our spatial existence or with us at all. "in Christ" is in reference to the VERB...

Did He save Billy, Sally, Bob, Melissa, Doug, but not Tommy, not Scot, not Rosie? Did God chose people before the foundation of the world that would never be saved?

We were known before time. We were saved IN time. How long are you going to fight and wrestle against the clear fact that Paul said that God chose us before the foundation of the world. The only argument you had to stand on, the fact that we weren't in Him before we were saved has been refuted...

God chose US before the world was made. The fact remains and cannot be refuted that the direct object of the verb "chose" is US. God chose us before the world was created. IN HIM is in reference to the verb, (the act of choosing) NOT to our spatial existence. This completely destroys the...

No, because I still say God chose US before the world was made. The fact remains and cannot be refuted that the direct object of the verb "chose" is US. God chose us before the world was created. CHOSEN IN HIM is in reference to the verb, the act of choosing, NOT to our spatial existence...

Further discussion on the meaning of "IN CHRIST JESUS" in Ephesians 1;4 A similar construction is used in 2 Timothy 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the...

What does "in Christ Jesus" mean in 2 Timothy 1:9. It doesn't mean spatial existence or location, does it?