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I take no pleasure in saying strong words, but Jesus, Paul, Peter, etc.. used strong words at times. there is one way to be saved- believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. no one comes to the Father except through Him. anyone, any church, and " movement " that pushes another way is lie. if any are...

nope. salvation is by faith and trust in Christ. walking just as he walked is the goal we are to aim at. I just answered this question. your church and it's lying creed are wrong about salvation being granted after one gets the walk correct. you can't conflate these things.

I agree with this, but to be clear, this follows salvation by belief. what you just said here does NOT produce salvation. it is the result of salvation.

but there is a division- you and your church teach that one does not receive salvation UNTIL they walked just as He walked. we are saved by belief in Christ, a mental activity. the walk, bearing fruit, growing in righteousness, however you name it, it occurs AFTER salvation. again, walking...

I do agree we are to walk just as He walked. but, as I said, it is a goal to aim at, not a destination to arrive at, with the arrival bringing salvation, that is why I stand against false teaching lies like your church pushes. we are forgiven and saved by belief. the walk is something we do...

yes, I agree. but, follwingpeterjensteps says, or more specifically his silly church, with their man-made opinion of a creed state that one does not receive salvation UNTIL they walk just as He walked, thereby making salvation a destination to arrive at, rather than making making walking just...

as usual. a pile of works based, man-made opinion garbage, taking one snip of one verse out of one letter and building theology around it. the same man who wrote " reap eternal life " also said " by grace you have been saved, it is not of yourself, it is a gift of God"; but, you would rather...

this has been a 50 year debate, and will probably continue for the next 50......

great to see this, my state ( ga. ) just passed one a few weeks ago. lawsuits and court battles to follow.

all right, if I mis-understand your or your church's beliefs, then we can settle it very easily. the truth is that when one comes to Christ, that person is forgiven and saved the moment they truly believe and accept Jesus as Lord and Savior. agree or disagree??

oh. I know Jesus . Jesus said the truth shall set you free. so, when I learn and accept the definitions of words, then I am living in truth. so, when you refuse to accept the meaning of words, and believe the sick lie that Jesus only forgives, and not saves , then you are in bondage to trying...

now, I see what you are saying here. one of the things my church teaches that we are to do for others what God through Christ did for us. we are to " one another one another", if that makes any sense...

how can you know that you are free from sin when you do not even use the actual Biblical definition of sin to determine if you do so or not?

fair enough. we will see how it goes.

what decon said is true, and it's good to see you agree with it. but, it all goes together, so maybe be careful about pounding individual points, that is where at times you come across as not agreeing ....

it does 0 amount of good if you quote Scripture while at the same time ignoring the definitions and meanings of the words you are quoting. it also is useless and wrong just to pluck verses out of context and build theology around them, as your church did with it's lying, silly , man made creed...

you will never get what we are saying as long as you deny free grace, and think that when one comes to Christ, then one only gets forgiveness , and salvation then has to be earned by being 100% sanctified , i.e. when you " walk just as He walked ", which is a goal to move toward, not a trophy to...

last sentence. in Titus 3, Paul states that " ....not by works of righteousness we have done, but by His mercy, He saved us,..... that is a closed statement . and then , AFTER Paul said this, he said, ..stress these things so that those who have trusted in God my be careful to do good works...

I do read the posts. but, I spend much more time reading the Bible. what you and others do is say " we are saved by grace", then you go on to say that doing good works is a sign of grace received . that is the decpeption you and others put out there. grace saves. then we are given a new heart...

I desire that you would one day accept that words have definitions , and we need to use these to determine righteousness and sin. doing the right thing, or the wrong thing, is determined by the definitions of them, NOT because we " feel" like we do or not. feelings and emotions do NOT...