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And what you write, proves what? One of my purposes of being here is to engage theological innovators like yourself and, by CHALLENGING your claims, get you to EXPOSE the errors of your assumptions, inferences and conclusions for any and all interested parties to see for themselves. I want to...

No one is adding two persons or three persons for that matter. Who is teaching you this stuff, tell me what church do you attend that would come up with these ridiculous conclusions? Look, John 1:1 says, "In the beginning was the Word/Logos, and the Word/Logos was WITH God, and the Word/Logos...

So what's your point? Do you mean that your going to maintain that Jesus Christ is "begotten" in the sense of being born of Mary His mother? If you say yes, watch what happens next? :eek: IN GOD THE SON, bluto

No, I don't know this all to well. And doing what exactly? I mean I posted a thread on the Trinity so why can't you respond with your opinion to the contrary? What am I missing? :eek: IN GOD THE SON, bluto

Apparently your not familar with the other defintion of "beget/begotten." Did you ever wonder why Jesus Christ is the "ONLY begotten Son of God according to John 3:16? The Greek word for begotten is "monogenes" and is used for the only child. But more generally it means "unique" or...

What kind of "gibberish" are you promoting? In your convoluted second paragraph what verses say, "When his sacred and holy spirit begat himself as a human child in the womb of Mary it was creation all over again and from the first cause, source, of all that is created. Jesus was fully human...

It's not a good point. These are "debate" forums and nothing should prevent one from presenting an opposing view. I say Jesus Christ is God and that the Trinity teaching is Biblical. All one has to do is give the scriptures to prove it wrong. Or to put it another way, (as an example) I say the...

First of all the purpose of the thread was to point out two issues. The first one is who is Jesus Christ and the second one is to show the docrine of the Trinity is a Biblical doctrine. It's not made up by some men that met in a "smoked" filled room trying to figure out a way to "dupe" people...

What do you mean by "what's to prove?" Are there not people on these forums that deny the deity of Jesus Christ? Are there not people on these forums that deny and go to great lenghts saying the Trinity doctrine is not Biblical and was made up at the Council of Nicea? Are there not people on...

Let me ask you if you agree with the following: To say the Father is God, is equal to saying "God the Father." In like manner to say, "the Son is God," is equal to saying "God the Son." Obviously you have no idea why Jesus Christ referred to Himself on numerous times as "the Son of Man" and as...

I will first present the following "syllogism" and then explain the syllogism as it realtes to the Trinity. What is a "syllogism?" A syllogism in logic is a form of reasoning in which a conclusion is drawn from two given premises, one major presmise and one minor premise. IF the Bible teaches...

Well, then you believe that either way, that is the Jesus only name way and the other Jesus way according to Matthew 28:19 the persons are all saved. Good! So why the heck are you so "obsessed" with one way being the correct way and the other way is not correct, i.e Matthew 28:19? The perons are...

Well, that changes things. I mean if others are "NOT" water baptized the Peter, Paul, and (Mary way, a little levity) then they not Christians according to you? Since you made this statement: Do you believe those converts in the New Testament baptized by Peter and Paul are SAVED? I DO!! In view...

No, that's your problem, you not thinking logically. You claim to be a Christian, I assume you do so you tell us all here did you become a Christian by any of the so-called books or even scripture that has been left out of the current 66 books of the Bible? Secondly, tell us all here does one...

Well if the Father is too holy to dwell in us how come Jesus said the following at John 14:23, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him, and we shall come to him. AND MAKE OUR ABODE WITH HIM." And then at John 14:16, "And I will ask the Father, and He will give you...

Ok let's check it out. Jesus said this at John 10:30, "I and My Father are one." What He was saying is that He and His Father are one in nature or essence. The Jews understood what Jesus was saying and their response at vs31 was, "The Jews took up stones again to stone Him." Why? The answer is...

In what respect is the Messiah and the Father one? And in what respect is the Messiah and the Father not the same? :eek: IN GOD THE SON, bluto

The reason I ask the question was because Isaiah 40:8 says, "The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of God stands forever." And 1 Peter 1:25, "But the word of the Lord abides forever. And this was the word that was preached to you." So what needs to be cleared up for you? Why are...

Did you ever check out the Greek on Revelation 3:14? It is "NOT" teaching Jesus Christ is the first creation of God. In fact it is teaching the exact opposite of what you say.And btw, neither is Proverbs 8:22 teaching Jesus is a created being since you brought up Revelation 3:14. Revelation...

Wait a minute again. Is the current Bible with its 66 books Gods word? Or to put it another way did God "inspire" the writers of the 66 books of the Bible? Just to be clear I am not talking about the other books you claim were banned. :eek: IN GOD THE SON, bluto