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Welcome to the forums kiptoo. Are you a part of Gods kingdom now or are you seeking information on how to join? :eek: IN GOD THE SON, bluto

Ok nehemiah, where before 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 does the so-called rapture happen? IN GOD THE SON, bluto

Even your answer here to dud is ridiculous. You state that Jesus returns after the trib and you actually agree with it. Then you made this statement, "But you have absolutely no evidence or verses indicating a post trib rapture. Zero my friend." News flash, there is no post trib rapture, there...

Why is it so hard for you to give a simple "cogent" answer like a "yes or no?" And your telling us how easy we can be refuted, horse hockey! :eek: IN GOD THE SON, bluto

Please answer me this absolutely since you brought up 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17. When we meet the Lord in the or caught up together with Him do we go back to heaven or do we continue on and land on the earth? :eek: IN GOD THE SON, bluto

Oh boy garee, where do you come up with this stuff? You said, " The kingdom will not come by observation as if we walked by sight and not by faith. Many of the disciples who were looking for a fleshly God no longer walked with Christ, in unbelief (no faith) they left." First of all, what...

Good grief, I know it's one topic but within that one topic are two questions? "Tell us when will these things will be, (that is when there is not one stone that is NOT torn down, and 2, "what is the sign of your coming resulting in the end of the age/world. Jesus then goes on to explain...

Well plainword, it appears your "bouncing" ball has lost some air. Your struck out in your first quote of Matthew 24:3. Watch carefully the question? The diciples are asking Jesus two questions? (1) when shall these things be," That is referring back to verse 2, "Truly I say to you, not one...

Ok, just as I thought so here is what I would like to explain? How is it that Matthew 24 does not apply to the church and you guys teach that what Jesus Christ said at Matthew 28:19-20 does apply to the church? Look, Jesus is talking to the same disciples here at Matthew 28:19-20 as He did at...

Ok tdw, in other words you are saying that the rapture of the church occurs BEFORE the events that happen to Israel and their gathering here at Matthew 24 and the appearance of the anti-christ, correct? In short, the olivet Discourse does not apply to the church. Any other pre-tribbers agree...

Well how about you "test fitting" this absolutely? It says at Matthew 24:12-14, "And because lawlessness is increased most of people's love will grow cold. vs13, But the one who endures to the end, he shall be saved/delivered. vs14, And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole...

So garee, what does this have to do with the subject of the OP, the rapture? What your talking about has to do with salvation and when you receive Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior you do become a new creature. And if God is not a man then how come Jesus Christ is a man since He is God? :eek...

I know there is a sequence/order but not the way you mean it by inserting the rapture. There is a sequence/order at 1 Thessaloni8ans 4:13-17. Paul explains the order at vs14 that God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep/died in Jesus. Then at vs15, "that we who are alive, and remain...

Still waiting absolutely for an answer to my question at Hebrews 9:28. I have a second question along the same lines. This from Revelation 20:5. The time frame is the tribulation period and the verse says, "The rest of the dead did not come to life UNTIL THE THOUSAND YEARS ARE COMPLETED. THIS IS...

Umn garee, your taking Romans 8:9 out of context as it relates to the second coming/rapture. The idea of the verse is that Christians are not to walk in the flesh because the fleshy mind is carnal and resents the will of God. It is "self-centered" and cannot please God. But if the Spirit of God...

I get what your saying tdw but at Acts 1:11 this was a "visible" ascension and His coming back a second time will also be a "visble" return. I'm not concerned with John 20:17 as to whether He was actually seen ascending or not seen. I don't see what that has to do with Acts 1:11? I also have...

You know tdw, you made me smile as I read this post of yours. The following is what Greek Scholar A.T Robertson stated about Hebrews 9:28. As you can see he indicated that the appearing a secon time is "Future passive indicative of οραω. And notice what Hebrews 9:26 states, "Otherwise He would...

Come on absolutely, with an "ego" like yours how do you make it through doorways? Do you really think your the only one that has studied this issue and tested the various positions, for years and years I might add? And some of us have presented our cases by using the Bible and not making stuff...

Boys, boys, boys, I get all that, I know it's not a 24hour day and in fact I never even thought of it as a 24 hour day. Look at the question again from Matthew 24:3, "Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and the end of the age/world." Here we are some...

Just to let you know that I appreciate your post and the time your taking to explain things. Now comes the "BUT." When we follow this issue starting with what Jesus said to His disciples at Matthew 24:3 where the following question is raised, "Tell us when will these things, and what will be...