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    Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

    Yes, we have gone over Acts 2 and 1 Cor 14 text carefully and I have presented exegesis on the texts that considerably weaken the interpretation that is must be a known language on the earth. I don't know if you read them. They were responses to @TDidymas and we discussed the possible...
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    Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

    The thread is the opinion that Pentecostal roots have some serious scandals and therefore the whole thing must be false. The discussion originally was about how 1) The scandals were exposed as soon as they originated and rejected by the main body of Pentecostals, and 2) The discussion as to...
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    Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

    A few thoughts in response: We have discussed the hermeneutic of if the tongue has to be a known tongue on earth. I think from what Paul said in 1 Cor 14:14 and in 1 Cor 14 in general that it is not the case. Previous posts were quite verbose on exegeting the text. We don't discount gifts of...
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    Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

    I do believe that Paul meant what he said when he said that he wanted them all to speak in tongues, and that he wanted them to pray for the gift of interpretation. I believe he wanted them all to prophesy as well. BUT NOT AT THE SAME TIME. I do believe Paul wanted them to Earnestly desire...
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    Water baptism is necessary to be in the first resurrection

    Romans 7 4Therefore, my brothers and sisters, you also were put to deatha in relation to the lawb through the body of Christc so that you may belong to another. You belong to him who was raised from the dead in order that we may bear fruit for God. 5For when we were in the flesh,a the sinful...
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    Water baptism is necessary to be in the first resurrection

    I just happened to be studying Romans 6 today for a message this Sunday. The whole dead to sin motif. This is what I am focusing on.
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    Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

    If someone thinks that those people represent the hundreds of millions of Pentecostal Charismatics in the world or even in the US then no wonder there is so much misunderstanding. Most Pentecostals/Charismatics do not agree with these celebrity and TV personalities and it really is like judging...
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    Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

    Yes I know you disagree with it. It was a rebuttal to the blanket statements that were made toward Pentecostal/Charismatics that they think they are holier/more spiritual than thou. I gave my opinion about it. We all have our opinions. It is obvious that we don't agree. Giving reasons for...
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    Water baptism is necessary to be in the first resurrection

    Paul did not make water baptism less important. He simply said he himself did not do the baptism. But as you quoted from Rom 6 he assumes every believer is baptized in water. Also we should pay attention to the context of Romans 6 and Gal 3 that he is focused on living free from sin's...
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    Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

    Getting drunk is still a sin. I could have said fornicator. Where will they prefer to go to church? Backsliders do go to church. They prefer the ones that make them feel like they are still saved even if they were to die doing what they are doing. They prefer those churches where everyone...
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    Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

    Because they want to think of themselves as still decent Christians who aren't perfect and like to party or something along those lines. What church do they prefer? I think they prefer a church where everyone is like them. They don't need to feel any pressure to change. They don't think...
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    Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

    What kind of church do backsliders prefer?
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    Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

    I use the word holy in the most common use of the word among charismatics. The idea of separation from the world and devotion to the cause of Christ. In general there will be more of that in the Charismatic church than in the non charismatic church. I see more of that in the Charismatic...
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    Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

    My real life experience is that the Charismatics in general do live holier lives. This is one of the main reasons I am more comfortable around them. I don't like fellowshipping with people who wink at sin or seem indifferent to compromising with the world. I question their salvation. I...
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    Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

    I find Charismatic churches to be the place where the real Christians are at. We all have our opinions.
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    Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

    I wonder if someone were to visit Charismatic churches in their area what they would actually find. Is there a problem? Would they even witness anyone speaking in tongues at all? Would they see any of these doubtful manifestations that some have accused the Pentecostals of? Is it all just...
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    Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

    Paul was quoting Isaiah. 21It is written in the Law: “By strange tongues and foreign lips I will speak to this people, but even then they will not listen to Me, says the Lord.” 22Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers, but for unbelievers. It was prophesied that God was going to give...
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    Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

    @DavidTree Gave you the scripture that disproves your theory. Your theory is that because they all heard them in their own language in Acts 2 that all speaking in tongues from then on must be that of speaking in a known language found somewhere on earth. And yet Paul says to this church at...
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    Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

    He presented a scripture that corrects your belief that it MUST be a known language on earth. 1 Cor 14:2 For the person who speaks in a tongue is not speaking to people but to God, since no one understands him; he speaks mysteries in the Spirit. Your response is not addressing this fact that...
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    CAN YOU WALK AWAY FROM POLITICS?

    It depends on what the Lord is telling you to do. Is God telling you to go preach the gospel and not run for any political offices then don't become a politician. You would be correct in walking away from it and choosing the path God is calling you to. Can another Christian hear the call to...