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    Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

    He actually said the gift of interpretation and listed it with tongues, prophesy, working of miracles, etc.. So he expected someone who had the gift to give an interpretation of a tongue spoken of a language they did not know. Without someone with this gift of interpretation they were not using...
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    Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

    I understand your reasoning about all this. And we both agree that it hinges on the idea that it must be a known language or someone claiming that it is. But what about this gift of interpretation. Paul lists it as one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Paul expected someone to be able to...
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    Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

    By adding that he sang in the spirit and sang with his understanding also, he adds another detail that points toward his intended meaning be that of a personal devotion a praying and singing in the spirit between himself and God.
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    Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

    I think @TDidymas just presented an interpretation that would help your case on 1 Cor 14:2 in post https://christianchat.com/threads/pentecostalisms-sketchy-origins.199418/post-4830493 I think his explanation is plausible for what Paul meant when he said they were not speaking to men, and yet it...
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    Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

    I think you have done a great job or explaining your view here. I can see this as a possible interpretation. It is at least is in the credible category.
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    Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

    I can agree that Acts 2 confirms that these tongues were heard as such, (the list you gave) but I don't see that 1 Cor 14:2 can be forced to mean that they are speaking known languages in the church in Corinth. It seems there is a different scenario being describe. No foreigners are hearing it...
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    Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

    Check out a commentary from authors who are of your denominational persuasion on these verses. Even if they are ceasationists they will be intellectually honest and be able to help you see that this is a Holy Spirit gift of interpretation not a natural translation from someone who does not need...
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    Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

    If it is not a foreign language that can be identified 1 Cor 14:2, 14 how would your test work? No recording necessary if that is your test. We don't believe the scriptures teach that is must be a foreign language so that is your And if someone has the real gift and is Spirit led they would...
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    Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

    Do you like to read commentaries? I will check out 5 or 6 non pentecostal authors who have some of the best commentaries and see what they say about 1 Cor 14:2 At this point I find it almost impossible to conceive that Paul is saying that they are speaking a known foreign language and that the...
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    Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

    it is fine if you disagree with me, I could be wrong. But I just want to make it clear that I never just force my own interpretations. I would not be comfortable with an interpretation that I could not find others have already written and giving excellent reasons for it. If my interpretation...
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    Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

    The gift of tongues was never given to preach the Gospel to people. They did not preach the Gospel to people in tongues on the day of Pentecost. They were speaking the wonderful works of God to God, and foreigners came upon them and recognized that they were speaking about the wonderful works...
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    Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

    There are multiplied millions of people in China and India speaking in tongues. Google it. "How many Pentecostals in Tonga" I don't know the answer but my guess is that they are the largest missionary group in that country. I will Google and see.
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    Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

    I am not interested in going back and forth and sinning so I won't do that. However in the same spirit of careful examination of the text that I have tried to stay with in previous posts I think it is helpful to mention that the "others mocking said these men are full of new wine" is there...
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    Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

    I can't really tell if you want to discuss these points or not. I will give a brief answer to the first one, because I am not sure if you are reading my answers. You seem to be saying that you believe that the scriptures present the speaking in tongues as a sign to unbelievers that when they...
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    Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

    Each person must walk in the light that they have. I fellowship in a Pentecostal church where some do not speak in tongues. They don't agree on every interpretation on this subject. We don't try to convince each other. We both allow each other to discover the best hermeneutic and leave it...
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    Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

    That is great. Keep up the good work. May you see lots of conversions to Christ.
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    Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

    Yes, today's tongues do match what is in the Bible. No I don't believe that tongues have to be a foreign language I have already explained why the text in Acts 2 suggests that two people of different languages heard the same person speaking in tongues and both understood them in their own...
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    Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

    In the end, Pentecostals are here to stay and are planting more churches and seeing more people born again and bearing the fruit of the Spirit than any other protestant group. This trend will continue because their message is empowered by the Holy Spirit and the illumination in the heart of the...
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    Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

    We are both seeing the same message in Chapter 12. Yes he is "explaining how the gifts of the Spirit are to work in the assembly of believers" And because of that I understand the question "do all speak in tongues" as applying to in the assembly. No all will give a tongue in the assembly. Not...
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    Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

    They don't represent the average Charismatic. As a matter of fact the average Charismatic has the same issue with these TV preachers as you do. But we already discussed this didn't we? Did you know that many who go to Joel Osteen's church say that they are Baptist? They don't know what they...