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So kneemailer do you agree with what these people posted, that Jesus Christ is Michael the arc angel? I am also so glad you posted Malachi 3:1 because it is one of my favorite verses and the verse is loaded with information. And your right when you say the first "malak/angel/messenger" is...

So kneemailer do you agree with what these people posted, that Jesus Christ is Michael the arc angel? I am also so glad you posted Malachi 3:1 because it is one of my favorite verses and the verse is loaded with information. And your right when you say the first "malak/angel/messenger" is...

You mean of all yhe Father's messengers who is the only one clearly identified as God Almighty? IN THE ANGEL OF THE LORD, bluto

I'm sure, so you tell me is his statement true or false? :eek: IN THE ANGEL OF THE LORD, bluto pda

Actually "THE" angel of the Lord "NEVER" appears in the New Testament. He is mentioned in the NT (Acts 7) but he never appears in it. :eek: IN THE ANGEL OF THE LORD, bluto

Could you please be more specific? What verses in Proverbs 8 "speaks of the creation (or bringing forth) of the Son by the Father in eternity past by some unknown means?" :eek: IN GOD THE SON, james

Ok kneemailer, since you disagree can you please explain why you disagree? :eek: IN GOD THE SON, bluto

Your last statement really bothers me because Matthew 7:15-23 says, (I'm not going to quote every verse.) "Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheeps clothing etc. Vs16, You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from throne bushes, not figs from thistles are they?"...

Uh no, that's not what Revelation 3:14 is teaching at all. It is true that the Jw's use this verse to prove that Jesus Christ is a created being and along with this verse they use Proverbs 8:22, they could not be more wrong. That word "Beginning" in the Greek is "arche," and we get our English...

Apparently it never occured to you that this whole issue started with Jesus Christ Himself at Matthew 24. The disciples ask Him a question which was, "When will these things be THE SIGN OF YOUR COMING AND THE END OF THE AGE/WORLD." Matt 24:3. Jesus then explains it and the Apostles John, Paul...

I noticed here ahwatukee (and at some of your other post) that you post verses that anybody can post but how do you know these verses support the pre-trib rapture? The question of this thread is "WHEN" and the poster posted a verse that said, "after the tribulation." And you and others keep...

I guess I was refering to someone else so I apologize. The following is where I thought you were the one. cv5 Well-known member Tuesday at 5:37 PM #241 Nov 20, 2018...

You know, it would be nice for you to learn how to read. I know what the gospel is but here is the quote of what was said, "They crucified Jesus on their understanding of scripture." I'll say it again, they crucified Jesus Christ based on what He said or claimed. For instance, Jesus said, "But...

No, they did not crucify Jesus based on the Scriptures, they crucified Jesus based on what He said. :eek: IN GOD THE SON, bluto

Yea, your right, like it DOESN'T say anything about a pre-trib rapture which was made up. And I'm still waiting for you or anybody else for that matter where any church fathers wrote about a pre-trib rapture before about 175 years ago. This is what you don't get. :eek: IN GOD THE SON, bluto

You flat out don't know what your talking about cv5. What verse or verses say the Church has vacated the earth in chapter 3 of Revelation? And if Revelation 4:1 kicks off the post-rapture period of seven years why at Revelation 4:8 it says, "Holy, Holy, Holy, is the Lord God, The Almighty, who...

Very simple, I do not consider the verses to be pre-trib verses based on my study of the Bible for over 57 years. To be sure I use to believe in the pre-trib rapture and had an open mind to examine the evidence and I just don't buy it. I also have a question for you. Can you name any of the...

I know there are various judgments, which judgment is Hebrews 9:27 referring as it relates to vs28? :eek: IN GOD THE SON, bluto

Well then explain it to me. :eek: IN GOD THE SON, bluto

Of course not. The point is that Christ died once for all, and the next item on His agenda is "the judgment" and He will be the judge, notwithstanding His second coming. :eek: IN GOD THE SON, bluto