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Actually the Apostle Paul quotes this verse at Romans 10:8, so what is Paul's point? Secondly, how is it that Christ was able to keep the law properly? :eek: IN HIM, bluto

I noticed in your presentation you changed the word "atonement" to mean "at-one-ment." Where did you steal this idea from? The word atonement was used by Mary Baker Eddy the founder of the cult Christian Science. Atonemnent simply means in a theological sense, "reparation or expiation for sin"...

First of all "faith" is NOT a work. "For by grace you have been saved through (or by way of faith); and not of yourselves, it is the gift of God." What do you think the words mean when it says, "Not of yourselves?" If I give you a gift let's say for example for your birthday, you simply accept...

So one last time huh? Acts 10:40-44, "God raised Him/Jesus up on the third day, and granted that He should become visible, vs41, not to all the people, but to witnesses who were chosen beforehand by God, that is, who ate and drank with Him after He rose from the dead. Vs42, And He ORDERED us...

Ok mr. "plain language," tell us all here about the plain language of Acts 10:45? "And all the circumcised "BELIEVERS" who had come with Peter amazed, (why were they amazed deade?) because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out upon the Gentiles also. Vs46, "For (or because) they wre...

I'm not missing anything wansvic. Acts 10:37, "Surely no one can refuse the water "SINCE" God has filled them with the Holy Spirit." That word "since" means, "after a time in the past or subsequently." It also can be defined as, "In view of the fact." This means that in view of the fact that...

Actually wansvic what Peter said "militates" against the position that your church teaches. Acts 11:16, "And I remembered the word of the Lord, how He use to say, "John baptized with water; but you shall be baptized with the HOLY SPIRIT." Vs17, "If God therefore gave to them the same gift...

First of all you need to apologize for saying, "You hate pentecostals." I "DO NOT" hat oneness pentecostals. This shows me how immature you are because you don't know the operation of one's mind. You also don't know what the cults teach. And yes, the oneness pentecostals are a big time cult just...

No, that is not what you said. You contradicted yourself and I am not the only one that has pointed that out to you. I also told you that wansvic and her church make water baptism and speaking in tongues mandatory or your "NOT SAVED," period. And even if you were baptized by another church the...

Oh boy tlc, here you going again contradicting yourself with two propositioins that "appear" to be contradictory but are not. Read what the Apostle Paul stated at Romans 3:28; 4:3, 19-22, and elsewhere refers to the method of justification. When Abraham was 100 and Sara 90 years old (Genesis...

Oh my, how can you be so "Biblically" ignorant waggles? The end of the story is when Jesus Christ said "It is finished." Do you know anything about the "Wof" religious movement and a teacher named Kenneth Copeland? Your just like him becasue he has a tape called "What Happened From the Cross...

Now pay attention wansvic. Mark 1:1-4. John's purpose was to prepare the way of the Lord, i.e Jesus Christ and this is brought out at Malachi 3:1, "Behold, I am going to send My "angel/messenger," and he will clear the way before Me. And the Lord/Jesus Christ whom you seek, will suddengly come...

News flash wiggles, Matthew 28:18-20 was given long before Acts 2:38. Notice it says, "Go and make disciples first, and then they are water baptized showing that they are disciples of Jesus Christ. Secondly, regarding all those verses you gave me look at Mark 1:8, "I baptize you with water; but...

I'm pretty sure waggles does teach that is essential to salvation. Read his post, especially #204 and 205. I ask him that very question. And btw, keep up the good work. :eek: IN GOD THE SON, bluto

Good morning wansvic. I noticed that you stopped at vs9 of John 5 and did not include the last sentence which says, "Now it was the Sabbath on that day." These words begin to explain the purpose of what Jesus was doing. Vs10, "Therefore the Jews were saying to him who wascured, "It was the...

Actually at John 1:2 the definite article has been supplied. The actual Greek is en arche-that is, "in beginning." The "Word of God" was there before the creation of the space-mass-time universe. This meansthat John's "beginning" even antecededs or is before the Genesis beginning, extending...

Since you said this: "The Word clearly says it must be done and is part of salvation." Give me all the verses you have that water baptism is a "MUST" in order to be saved? Go ahead, I'll wait. :eek: IN GOD THE SON, bluto

So tell me tlc, how do you determine small little errors from big errors? Obviously your not aware of the fact that there are in Orthodox Christianity certain "ESSENTIAL" beliefs that must be believed in order to be saved and these essential beliefs are "NOT" negotiable, period. For instance...

So, there it is wansvic? What you and your church are doing/teaching is "resinging" someone to hell who has believed in the finished work of Jesus Christ because it is "IMPOSSIBLE" for them to get water baptized. Like I told you from the beginning the thief on the cross did not get water...

Hey, I'm not above apologizing. You said this: "gets tricky when you try to create your own gospel :cool:" Since it was directed to me I took it in a negative way. Next time it would be nice if you were more clear with your statments. And I do apologize if what you said was directed to wansvic...