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  1. Ahwatukee

    Homosexual Brother In Law

    Good day, tstumf, I know that this has been a tough situation for you, but I thank God that you have made the right decision. As I said in the first post, this is a prime example of when Jesus meant when He said: Do not assume that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to...
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    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    Below are the groups who will be on the earth during the time of God's wrath: * Israel * 144,000 who come out of Israel * The Tribulation Saints (Gentiles) * The wicked (any one who does not believe) The church will not be on the earth with those above during that time of wrath.
  3. Ahwatukee

    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    Hello Jackson123, As I continue to point out, if you claim that the gathering of the church (rapture) takes place when Christ returns to the earth to end the age (second coming), then you would be putting the living church through the entire wrath of God, which we are not appointed to suffer...
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    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    Understanding whose wrath this is, is very simple everyone, as revealed by the following: "Seventy ‘sevens’ are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and...
  5. Ahwatukee

    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    Understanding whose wrath this is, is very simple everyone, as revealed by the following: "Seventy ‘sevens’ are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and...
  6. Ahwatukee

    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    The gathering of the church is nowhere mentioned in Matthew 24.
  7. Ahwatukee

    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    The Day of the Lord is a time period and it is not 1003 and 1/2 years in length. The earth being burned up is also apart of 'the Day of the Lord which doesn't take place until after the millennial kingdom. It begins when that ruler, the antichrist establishes his seven year covenant with Israel...
  8. Ahwatukee

    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    I did not say that God's wrath was 3 1/2 years. It is seven years in length starting with the seals, then the trumpets and followed by the bowls. The last 3 1/2 years are known as 'The Great Tribulation.' That entire seven years is the long prophesied "Day of the Lord." Everything that takes...
  9. Ahwatukee

    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    Hi TMS, The answer is 'Yes!' And because with the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments and whatever plagues the two witnesses bring, this world will be no place to live in even if one were protected by God. One comes to this understanding when doing a detailed study on the seals, trumpets and...
  10. Ahwatukee

    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    While it is true that as believers Jesus said that we would have trials and tribulations as a result of our faith and which has been happening from the on-set of the church until now. God's wrath is not the same as these trials and tribulations, because they will be direct plagues of wrath...
  11. Ahwatukee

    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    And what does the above have to do with the order of end-time events? Paul is merely talking about the persecution that he and other believers endure because of the faith in Christ. The church cannot and will not be on the earth to experience God's wrath, because Jesus already experienced it...
  12. Ahwatukee

    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    The 7th trumpet and the last trumpet have nothing in common, but are two different types of trumpets. The trumpet of God/last trumpet of 1 Thess.4:16 and 1 Cor.15:52, is the Lord's voice that will sound like a trumpet where the dead in Christ will rise and the living will be changed and caught...
  13. Ahwatukee

    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    Greetings! You are interpreting the above scripture as though when the Lord comes the earth that at that time will be burned up. By doing so, you ignore other scriptures such as the nations beating their swords into plough shares and spears into pruning hooks which takes place at the onset of...
  14. Ahwatukee

    The second coming of Jesus

    Before the new heaven and new earth, the Lord will appear and resurrect the dead and the living in Christ will be transformed immortal and glorified, where at which point He will take the entire church back to the Father's house, which is in heaven. In addition, it may be that the New Jerusalem...
  15. Ahwatukee

    The second coming of Jesus

    Good morning! "Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is." "Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle, and set apart for the gospel of...
  16. Ahwatukee

    Hi, I'm Lesa, I am new on here!

    Hi Lesa and welcome to Christian Chat. Look forward to seeing you out on the Forum.
  17. Ahwatukee

    The second coming of Jesus

    That is correct. It is the wicked who will be killed by that double-edged sword that proceeds from the Lord's mouth and whom will be eaten by the birds which the angel will have gathered. What does "body members' refer to and who said that?
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    Unconditional love and the church's approach to homosexuality

    Removing the plank would mean that he himself was involved in a same-sex life style. So your comparison is misapplied here.
  19. Ahwatukee

    Unconditional love and the church's approach to homosexuality

    Jesus also said, "go and sin no more." Regarding the man who was sleeping with his step mother, Paul said, "expel the immoral brother!" Don't you know that a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough. As believers in Christ repentance is required. The problem that we have today is...
  20. Ahwatukee

    The second coming of Jesus

    Hello soberxp, It is only your opinion that we don't need a flesh body in heaven. However, Jesus has been in heaven in his immortal and glorified flesh and bone body ever since He ascended to the right hand of the Father. He is representing us as a human being, as One who lived a perfect life...