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  1. Ahwatukee

    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    Wow! Amazing! You'd think that the Lord's repeated command to always be on the watch for His appearing would be a blessed hope for all believers. At the end of Paul's detailed account of the living being transformed immortal and glorified and caught up, he told believers to comfort each...
  2. Ahwatukee

    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    Exactly! But you already know the false apologetic that they came up with. They will call it the kingdom of God or the kingdom of heaven on earth, in order to do away with the fact that the wedding feast will take place in heaven. "I say to you that many will come from the east and the west...
  3. Ahwatukee

    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    It almost seems as though they are brainwashed, in that they are programmed to reject the truth at every turn. In doing so, they continue with the false apologetics and ignore the scriptures that destroy their claims. The purpose of our contention is not to be against them, but to get them to...
  4. Ahwatukee

    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    Everywhere you put in parenthesis (second coming reference) is by your own doing and not according to scripture. The 1 Thess.4:16-17 is in reference to the gathering of the church and not the Lord's return to end the age. You are just misapplying scripture and then saying, Viola! It's not that...
  5. Ahwatukee

    What method do you use to approach the bible ?

    Agreed! It is the Spirit who reveals the truth to us as we endeavor to understand God's word. For regarding this Jesus said regarding the Holy Spirit: "He will bring to your remembrance everything that I have told you and reveal things yet to come." Unfortunately we are living in the days where...
  6. Ahwatukee

    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    That should have said "you should not be teaching." "My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I...
  7. Ahwatukee

    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    Freegrace2, I wish you could understand that this is where your error is: V.1 - Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him V.2 Asserting that the day of the Lord has already come These are two closely linked yet separate events with the Day of the Lord...
  8. Ahwatukee

    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    First of all, if you are asking me that question, you should be teaching on this issue. "My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be...
  9. Ahwatukee

    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    "For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the...
  10. Ahwatukee

    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    Below is the chronological order of what I am saying: * We are here * Lord descends and gathers the church, where He takes us back to the Father's house * The Day of the Lord begins, the time of God's wrath, carried out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments * After the 7th bowl Jesus...
  11. Ahwatukee

    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    Hello OldSage, I never post anything that I have not thoroughly studied and am not sure of. The splendor of the Lord's coming, is synonymous with when He returns to the earth to end the age. It is at this time when the man of lawlessness/antichrist/beast will be destroyed. This is supported by...
  12. Ahwatukee

    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    Correct! The apostasy occurring and the man of lawlessness being revealed is proof that that 'the Day of the Lord' has come and not the gathering. As you well know, the gathering of the church is when the Lord resurrects those who have died in Him and the living are transformed and caught up...
  13. Ahwatukee

    predestination vs freewill

    Good day, Ivon, The word 'proorizó' translated as Predestination, means to mark out beforehand, i.e. before creation. This however does not mean that God is going to save us no matter what we do, for those that God chose before the world began must still have faith from beginning to end. An...
  14. Ahwatukee

    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    Good day, randyk, Just to be clear here, you are correct in your conclusion that Christ will return to the earth to end the age after antichrist, that little horn, is given authority for 42 months i.e. the last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period. After that Christ will return to end the age...
  15. Ahwatukee

    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    The NIV is just another translation. As I said, I compare all of the major translations side by side to get a better understanding of what is being said. When you camp out on one translation, you are restricting yourself. I'd rather read the Interlinear than any translation, because it give us...
  16. Ahwatukee

    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    Hello absolutely, I disagree, for I have an NIV, as well as a KJV. However, I look at and compare all translations in parallel to get a better understanding of what is being said, including the Interlinear. The son of destruction simply means "man doomed to destruction." In fact Paul mentions...
  17. Ahwatukee

    Save us from sin v Save us from Hell ?

    Hello Jocund, We were saved from the lake of fire when we received Christ and as we continue in faith. And as we continue going from faith to fait, we are being transformed into the image of the Lord, which is the on-going process of being made holy, also called sanctification. The new man in...
  18. Ahwatukee

    Homosexual Brother In Law

    Well, I'll be captain obvious here and say that your wife and mother in-law do not want your brother in-law to know the real reason you're not attending. You may just have to tell him yourself if they're going to lie about it. Forgive me for saying so, but if they who call themselves Christians...
  19. Ahwatukee

    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    The resurrection in Rev.20:4-6 is only one phase of the first resurrection, as there are stages to it. Many people err on this because they thing that the word "first" means "only." Every resurrection which takes place prior to the one at the end of the thousand years belongs to the first...
  20. Ahwatukee

    Save us from sin v Save us from Hell ?

    Good day, Throughfaith, Saving us from sin is kind of a play on words. As you pointed out, Jesus came to save us from the consequences of sin which is death i.e. eternal separation from God in the lake of fire. I always liked the example that the Lord used when He said, "Just as Moses lifted...