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  1. Ahwatukee

    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    Runningman, If you want to continue to believe that it is Satan's wrath, then that is your choice. I know, as well as everyone else here, that the tribulation period is God's wrath, the Day of the Lord. There is no such thing as Satan's time of wrath.
  2. Ahwatukee

    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23But each in his own turn: Christ the...
  3. Ahwatukee

    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    That doesn't mean that they rose in the immortal and glorified bodies. Scripture states that Jesus is the first fruits of those who rise from the dead and the church is next. Those people who rose from the tombs did so in the mortal bodies and died again, just as Lazarus also died again after he...
  4. Ahwatukee

    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    This is also a well known false teaching which I have contended against many times. All you're doing is repeating what you have heard or read. The truth is that believers are not appointed to suffer any wrath from God, neither God's wrath that is quickly coming upon the earth nor the wrath of...
  5. Ahwatukee

    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    Bingo! You just put the church through the entire wrath of God, which Jesus already suffered! You don't put much stock in what Jesus did for believers by taking upon himself God's wrath on behalf of every believer, do you? Understand then that, by believing and teaching that the Lord is going...
  6. Ahwatukee

    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    The word actual word in the Greek is 'harpazo' translated as 'caught up.' Those saints who came out of their tombs after Jesus was resurrected, did not get caught up to meet the Lord in the air and therefore it cannot be a rapture. Also, while it is true that they were resurrected, it was...
  7. Ahwatukee

    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    What is sounds like you are referring to is a mixture of Matt.24:15 when the abomination that causes the desolation of Jerusalem which is set up in the temple, the fleeing of the woman/Israel in Rev.12 and Rev.18 where God is calling His people out of the religious system of Mystery, Babylon the...
  8. Ahwatukee

    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    Greetings, All of those signs that you posted above take place during the wrath of God via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which lead up to the Lord's return to the earth to end the age. Because Jesus already took upon himself God's wrath that every believer deserves satisfying it...
  9. Ahwatukee

    Homosexual Brother In Law

    Correction, the name of the thread is "Gay Wedding." I have provided the link below. https://christianchat.com/threads/gay-wedding.183096/post-3989137
  10. Ahwatukee

    Homosexual Brother In Law

    I found it! At the top of the page you'll see 'Search Forum.' click on that and type in 'Gay Marriage' and it will take you to the thread. From there you can read through the posts. Compared to your into, his is but a two lines. Unfortunately you'd have to sift through the thread in order to...
  11. Ahwatukee

    Homosexual Brother In Law

    If I'm not mistaken, I believe that he ended up attending the event (I'm reluctant to use the word marriage here). I'm going to do a search on it to see if I can find the thread.
  12. Ahwatukee

    Very concerned about Hebrews 10:26 (New Member)

    Hey CV5, I saw the post. However, I was not and am not in agreement with it. We have one Lord, one faith and the same word. In order to fall away from something, you would have to belong to it in the first place, i.e. you can't fall away from something that you didn't belong to in the first...
  13. Ahwatukee

    Homosexual Brother In Law

    Good day, tstumf, Just curious and I may have missed this, is your wife a believer in Christ? And if so, is she not concerned with this issue of two men being joined in this ungodly union? Is she also not ready to take her stand in Christ and the word of God? There was another believer here...
  14. Ahwatukee

    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    Your "second coming reference" is assumption on your part. 1 Thess.4:14 is saying that Jesus will be bringing with Him from heaven the Spirits of those who have died in him and who will be reunited with their immortal and resurrected bodies. 1 Thess.4:16-17 states that we will be caught up in...
  15. Ahwatukee

    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    Only the Jews who believe in Christ are a part of the church. God will be dealing with the unbelieving nation of Israel during the tribulation/great tribulation period. These do not belong to the church. They are a separate dispensation. A different program. The church is not present during...
  16. Ahwatukee

    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    Your moving of God's wrath just allows you to put the church into that time period. However I know that you did not come up with this, because it is a teaching that I have encountered and have contended with many times. Understand then that the tribulation period is God's tribulation, God's...
  17. Ahwatukee

    Beasts Of Revelation

    First beast = Antichrist, man of lawlessness, little horn, the ruler Second beast = False prophet The beast as a whole is described as having seven heads, seven crowns and ten horns. "I will explain to you the mystery of the woman and of the beast she rides, which has the seven heads and...
  18. Ahwatukee

    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    By making this claim, you would be putting the living church through the entire wrath of God, which is one of the main reasons why the post-tribulation view is in error. Why is it that you and others make the claim that the Lord is going to gather His church after the tribulation when He...
  19. Ahwatukee

    Can One Hack Heaven

    "There is nothing in all creation that is hidden from Him. All things are laid bare and open before Him." That should take care of the question as to whether anyone can sneak in through a secret passage way. In addition, one would have to obtain an immortal and glorified by from the Lord and...