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Was there a point to this post? Who are the "you" in this verse: Believers or unbelievers? And isn't the warp 'n' woof of eternal life in this age knowing God (Jn 17:3)? Anything else you're confused about?

You're very defensive. I simply asked a question to make sure I understood you rightly? You have a problem with that? I don't have a problem with what Jesus said in Mat 7:23, as long as you and other free-willers understand what Jesus did NOT say! He did not say that he will tell the false...

Mark 12:29 “And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord” You still didn't answer my question. What you quote above could well be interpreted in a sense other than "person".

Don't you know that Jesus purposely chose Judas the betrayer so that the scriptures about his betrayal could be fulfilled (Jn 17:12)? Judas was never chosen for salvation since he was the son of perdition. Conversely, the Father gave to His Son the other 11 and the Son faithfully kept them so...

"How else could Jesus have seen the Father before he was even born?": By looking in the mirror. (JN 14:9 :^) So, the Son and the Father are one and the same person Is that how you understand the triunity of God?

Forgive me, sir, for mischaracterizing your theology. But if you're not an Arminian and you're not a believer in the Doctrines of Grace, then your soteriology must indeed be one strange hybrid. Having said that...congrats on at least getting the interpretation of Mat 7:23 and Rom 8:29, and by...

Just to be crystal clear on what you're saying: When Jesus said "I never knew you...", he was really saying *I* never had a personal, intimate, covenant relationship with you which is why "they never were saved" correct? In your mind the passage has nothing to do with Jesus' prescience...

Shirley, U didn't think I was just going to lay down and let you free willers post any kind of nonsense that comes into your noggins, did you? Give me your interpretation of Mat 7:23 without any irrelevant fluff! I know that's asking a lot, but give it the ol' college try.

No, that's not correct. (You're another one with reading comp problems.) I said that in order for Jesus to make that kind of statement, i.e. "I NEVER KNEW YOU..." can only mean that on judgment day he obviously won't possess the attribute of omniscience which presents serious theological...

You wouldn't know the truth if it stuck a boot up your rear end.

No, YOU are not discussing the future judgment. YOU are not discussing the return of Jesus because you refuse to discuss Mat 7:23 in its proper, eschatological context. You are the poster boy for "stuck on stupid" because you totally ignore the context of the above passage since it's a very...

No, YOU are deflecting from the questions I asked re Mat 7:23 by discussing the "mortal life of Jesus". Jesus' "mortal life" and the doctrine of the "kenosis" are totally irrelevant issues to the above passage, since judgment will take place at His second advent. Is Jesus mortal currently...

You have a problem. You said, "But the Son of God is eternal". The Word is eternal but the son of man died on the cross. Are you inferring that Jesus did not really die on the cross? How can an eternal Son of God die on the cross? That is a direct contradiction within the revelation of the...

So, what does the kenosis have to do with the Second Advent in which the risen, glorified King of kings and Lord of lords returns to judge the world? Is Jesus right now still in kenosis mode? Yes or no? Is Jesus right now fully human? Is Jesus right now fully divine? You keep proving how...

The passage in Acts 1 supports my argument. Jesus did not appeal to ignorance in that passage, as he did when in the role of a lowly, humble servant of the Father! After all, his resurrection "declared" him to be the eternal Son of God with power (Rom 1:4). So...what the Father gave him to...

How very sad that you don't enjoy equally as well, if not more, TRUTH-TELLING!

Jesus knew the hearts of all men because that was given to Him in the Holy Spirit. John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him. John 5:37 And the Father who sent Me, He has testified of Me. You have neither heard His...

But Mat 7:23 isn't dealing with the date of the Parousia. It's dealing with the Judgment of men -- men and women who the Son of God in his preincarnate state NEVER knew even in eternity -- even though he supposedly decreed their very existence. And there was nothing imperfect about Jesus...

Jesus died on the cross and Jesus was mortal. Jesus did not know all things. Jesus did not have His former glory. Jesus only existed in one place at any time. If you deny that Jesus came in the flesh you will be purified with fire. So...all this fluff you just posted will apply with equal...

You free-willers are a pretty pathetic, theologically-impoverished bunch with all your wordy, non-sequitur posts re the Mat 7:23 problem. But because I have compassion on you, in spite of your willful ignorance of the scriptures, permit me to give you a leg up to help you come up with a...