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  1. Clayman

    Ephesians 6:12 A biblical perspective.

    I think a bit differently to most, To me Jesus was slain at the beginning, it was Part of God's plan that the lamb was slain from the foundation of the world Rev 13:8 What I'm trying to say is just Because Jesus was foreordained to die at the beginning does not mean he died at the beginning...
  2. Clayman

    Ephesians 6:12 A biblical perspective.

    Could you clarify please, did Jesus bare the Judgment of our sins on the cross?
  3. Clayman

    Ephesians 6:12 A biblical perspective.

    John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own, for he is a liar and the father of it. Who did the devil murder...
  4. Clayman

    Ephesians 6:12 A biblical perspective.

    I thought it was, Christ bore God's judgment for all mankind upon Himself, on that Cruel cross of Calvary?
  5. Clayman

    Ephesians 6:12 A biblical perspective.

    Sorry, I had to reread what I wrote, I meant to use the word temptation, a brain melt down on my part.. Obviously we disagree on this, yet I wasn't going to get into why I disagree it's not really that important to me, for I want to keep things as respectful, and conducive as I can, for you...
  6. Clayman

    Ephesians 6:12 A biblical perspective.

    Interesting Ive never heard any one say that Satan is the cause of sin that is common to man before. Everyday life causes enough testing and trials without Satan throwing petrol on the fire in my humble opinion. Disagree, Eve's eyes and Adam's eyes were not opened after Eve ate of the fruit...
  7. Clayman

    Ephesians 6:12 A biblical perspective.

    Yes indeed, if you died right now now, you will go to heaven and you will not run into Satan anywhere there now or in the future, he is no longer accusing the saints before God day and night as I believe he is completely powerless and contained at the moment.
  8. Clayman

    Ephesians 6:12 A biblical perspective.

    Ill try and explain again another way. The rulers of the world. 1.Pharoah 2. The Assyrian 3. King of Babylon 4. king of Persia 5. king of Greece 6 King of Rome(or emperor) 7. combined Roman ruler? Satan is also the ruler of the world, he at some stage indwelt or entered into the presence of...
  9. Clayman

    Ephesians 6:12 A biblical perspective.

    The first thought that comes to mind when I read this is that the spirit of God led Jesus into the wilderness to be tempted for our benefit, it proves that Jesus even at His weakest cannot be tempted, as we already know God cannot sin it proves He is God too. They reckon the endurance of man can...
  10. Clayman

    Ephesians 6:12 A biblical perspective.

    Yes, I believe the war in heaven happened at the time of Christs first advent, were cast out of heaven to earth, then were being cast out of earth(people) into the abyss, where they are still bound and inactive. Note: the casting out of demons into the abyss must have been completed by the...
  11. Clayman

    Ephesians 6:12 A biblical perspective.

    You may disagree with me, but I think the thorn in the flesh was Paul's blindness that occurred from the encounter on the road to Damascus, As he journeyed along the road suddenly there was a bright light surrounding him from heaven, acts 9:3 Paul comes across as a good type of the Lord Jesus...
  12. Clayman

    Ephesians 6:12 A biblical perspective.

    While I agree with some of our postmil and amil brothers that Satan is currently bound(I see less of them hold that view now though) I don't agree with them in regards to the Messianic 1000yr period here. To answer your question, I believe Satan was ruling the world until the time of Christ...
  13. Clayman

    Ephesians 6:12 A biblical perspective.

    I think there is one more way it can go, so I think it can go one of 3 ways, there are those and I think the most common view 3. Christ defeated Satan at the cross but he is not yet defeated, category Although seems an oxy moron to me. If you don't mind explaining this for me. When Jesus...
  14. Clayman

    Ephesians 6:12 A biblical perspective.

    You may have highlighted a difference in our thinking, if you think Satan is a real thing and your mortal enemy! I think sin is my mortal enemy, when Adam sinned, sin brought forth death, we inherited the sin nature, and we inherited death, when Christ took my place on the cross and made...
  15. Clayman

    Ephesians 6:12 A biblical perspective.

    I assume the Prince of Persia, was indwelt by Satan here, There's a history book talking about Alexander the Greats conquest, and a secular historian said that his conquest was so fast and conclusive he could understand the sentiment that he was in fact empowered by Satan, I need to find it so I...
  16. Clayman

    Ephesians 6:12 A biblical perspective.

    Friend, this is meant for discussion, you seem to have copy and paste responses for me, and when I disagree with it seems you have trouble being able to respond. You say the casting out of Satan is future so I highlight the word NOW for you, the timing of the Lord being lifted up, the judgment...
  17. Clayman

    Ephesians 6:12 A biblical perspective.

    Good catch, thanks!
  18. Clayman

    Ephesians 6:12 A biblical perspective.

    I think we are tempted by our own nature and Satan could do nothing to man outside God's permission. James 1:13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone. For we are sinners, 1John 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we...
  19. Clayman

    Ephesians 6:12 A biblical perspective.

    yes and the context is immediate, If I be lifted up will draw all peoples to myself You left the word NOW out of your quote, ill put it back in for you for it makes a difference. Now is the judgment of this world; now will the ruler of this world be cast out. Yes, His imminent death at the...
  20. Clayman

    Ephesians 6:12 A biblical perspective.

    I don't actually use that verse to support my position, It is the most common go to verse people use to show me their position, and they do what you have just done, eph 6:12 "against spiritual wickedness in high places. " I'm saying it does necessarily mean demons, it can mean people. people are...