Speaking in tongues

[Blue155]

I actually have not visited the church much after what I expereinced I am trying to find a different church to go to. But yeah the whole tongues thing was false fake non coherent I wouldn't recommend anyone to go to a church like that it is just too fake

And you should not visit that denomination, as what they are doing are nothing like what you read about in the Bible.

 

[shittim]

Certainly the adversary will attack this gifting as he does all of the Creators other giftings and works, Holy Spirit will guide in ALL truth, IF we give first place to our Triune God.
Holy Spirit guidance does not deny Holy Spirit gifting.
blessings

 

[Wansvic]

Paul did nor only say that. It's important to quote the full text

14 Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy. 2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.

3 But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men.
4 He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church.

5 I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification.

Those who speak in tongues speak to GOD Paul said Unless there is an interpretation.

Paul also goes on to say : 13 Therefore let him who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret.


The gift of tongues according to 1corthians chapter 12 though 14 is"

1. a gift of the Holy Spirit
2. those who speak in tongues speak to GOD
3. prophesying is more effective in ministry than tongues unless there is an interpretation
4. those who speak in tongues should pray they can interpret which is equal to prophesying

The full text had no bearing on what was being discussed.

 

[Wansvic]

That’s the point. Tongues in the first century were not jibberish jibber jabber. They were a known language.

Do you believe the Apostle Paul was just mistaken when he said, no man understands what is being said between God and the one speaking in tongues?(1 Cor. 14:2)

 

[Blue155]

Do you believe the Apostle Paul was just mistaken when he said, no man understands what is being said between God and the one speaking in tongues?(1 Cor. 14:2)

He wasn’t mistaken. Are you using that passage to suggest speaking in tongues was gibberish jibber jabber?

 

[Wansvic]

He wasn’t mistaken. Are you using that passage to suggest speaking in tongues was gibberish jibber jabber?

You stated tongues is known languages. Yet, Paul said, "... he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries." 1 Cor. 14:2

 

[Blue155]

You stated tongues is known languages. Yet, Paul said, "... he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries." 1 Cor. 14:2

Ok, so you are using this verse to say tongues were gibberish jibber jabber (which you disagreed with originally when I said today’s tongue speaking is)?

 

[CS1]

The full text had no bearing on what was being discussed.

LOL ok. You used 1cor 14:2 to provide context to your post yet the rest od the chapter has no bearing. That is funny.

 

[Jordon]

Certainly the adversary will attack this gifting as he does all of the Creators other giftings and works, Holy Spirit will guide in ALL truth, IF we give first place to our Triune God.
Holy Spirit guidance does not deny Holy Spirit gifting.
blessings

I believe praying for a miracle is quite common

 

[shittim]

I believe praying for a miracle is quite common

Commanding in Jesus name is successful and obedient to His teaching, never beg Him for anything, command in Jesus name.

 

[Jordon]

Commanding in Jesus name is successful and obedient to His teaching, never beg Him for anything, command in Jesus name.

in Jesus name I pray that ye speak in tongues

 

[OLDBUTNEW]

Once again: I often get Tongue-Tied, when I speak: Does that count, for me speaking in Tongues? Well, one tongue, anyway.

 

[Charlesiii]

Paul explained that those who speak in an unknown tongue are speaking to God not speaking to men. He specifically stated that no man understands him. (1 Cor. 14:2) What Paul is referring to is personal prayer, not speaking a message in tongues in church.

The problem is that people bring this into the church, against the instructions of the same Paul they use to justify their "unknown tongues".

For those who insist on speaking tongues in the church, their "gifts" of speaking in tongues should first be verified by interpreters. There are so many charlatans and deceived who believe their babbling or jibberish is speaking in tongues, that it drowns out any who really can speak in tongues (if these people even exist anymore).

1 Corinthians 14:9 - 13
9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.
11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.
12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

Consider as well that the Apostle Paul was not spreading the gospel when he prayed and sang in unknown tongues. (1 Cor. 14:14-15)

Paul preaches against doing this in the church, even if the "unknown" nature of the tongue is the argument for the validity of said tongue.

 

[Wansvic]

Ok, so you are using this verse to say tongues were gibberish jibber jabber (which you disagreed with originally when I said today’s tongue speaking is)?

Speaking in unknown tongues is by God's design the means through which man's renewed spirit interacts directly with God's Spirit, as such it is far from meaningless.

You ridicule something you don't understand, and to do so is quite arrogant.

 

[Charlesiii]

Speaking in unknown tongues is by God's design the means through which man's renewed spirit interacts directly with God's Spirit, as such it is far from meaningless.

You ridicule something you don't understand, and to do so is quite arrogant.

It is ridiculed because 99% or more of those who claim it are liars. Like Nigerian princes. I suppose it is possible there is a real Nigerian prince out there looking to give his wealth away to someone on his email list, but if he doesn't provide the evidence, no one is going to believe him. If he wants to keep his generosity between him and God, that's fine, but if he wants to present his offer in the church where gullible people are present (i.e. many Christians!), he better have a little more evidence than a claim on an anonymous email. Or much of the blame is on the naive and gullible Christian elders who believed him and were supposed to protect their congregation, not the "Nigerian prince" scammer.

 

[Wansvic]

LOL ok. You used 1cor 14:2 to provide context to your post yet the rest od the chapter has no bearing. That is funny.

Paul explained various aspects about speaking in tongues in that chapter. And the one relative to the discussion was that NO MAN understands what is being said between man's renewed spirit and God. Hope that gets you up to date on my conversation with Blue155.

 

[Wansvic]

The problem is that people bring this into the church, against the instructions of the same Paul they use to justify their "unknown tongues".

For those who insist on speaking tongues in the church, their "gifts" of speaking in tongues should first be verified by interpreters. There are so many charlatans and deceived who believe their babbling or jibberish is speaking in tongues, that it drowns out any who really can speak in tongues (if these people even exist anymore).

1 Corinthians 14:9 - 13
9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.
11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.
12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

Paul preaches against doing this in the church, even if the "unknown" nature of the tongue is the argument for the validity of said tongue.

Manifestation of tongues serve different purposes. And what Paul was specifically addressing in 1 Cor. 14:15-19 pertained to personal prayer and worship in tongues. Paul reveals those who hear people praying and singing in tongues have no idea what is being said. Nonetheless, those who pray and sing in the spirit do bless, and gives thanks well.

"What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?

For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.

I thank my God, I speak with tongues MORE than ye all:
Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue."


1. Individual's speak in tongues when the Holy Spirit initially enters their body. This experience takes place most often in the presence of other believers. And at times God uses people to assist through laying on of hands.

2. God prompts someone to present His message via tongues to the church body. The message is then spoken in the known language of the congregants though a person operating in the gift of interpretation. The result is the body of believers is edified.

3. Lastly, and what Paul was referencing is personal prayer and worship in tongues. The interaction requires no interpretation, as the experience is for personal edification.

 

[Wansvic]

It is ridiculed because 99% or more of those who claim it are liars. Like Nigerian princes. I suppose it is possible there is a real Nigerian prince out there looking to give his wealth away to someone on his email list, but if he doesn't provide the evidence, no one is going to believe him. If he wants to keep his generosity between him and God, that's fine, but if he wants to present his offer in the church where gullible people are present (i.e. many Christians!), he better have a little more evidence than a claim on an anonymous email. Or much of the blame is on the naive and gullible Christian elders who believed him and were supposed to protect their congregation, not the "Nigerian prince" scammer.

That is a pretty bold statement. Especially considering God is the only one who knows with certainly whose actions are authentic.

The enemy would like nothing more than to discredit the truth. And attempting to ascertain what is and is not true outside of the bible is not using wisdom.

 

[Blue155]

Speaking in unknown tongues is by God's design the means through which man's renewed spirit interacts directly with God's Spirit, as such it is far from meaningless.

You ridicule something you don't understand, and to do so is quite arrogant.

So are you affirming its gibberish jibber jabber?

 

[CS1]

Paul explained various aspects about speaking in tongues in that chapter. And the one relative to the discussion was that NO MAN understands what is being said between man's renewed spirit and God. Hope that gets you up to date on my conversation with Blue155.

ok but hat not what Paul's said.