Its impossible to blaspheme gnostic heretics of the 3rd century either.
Or their disciples from then until now.
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Or their disciples from then until now.
Yes and they also believe their children are the children of promise, the offspring just wait until they too come to the realization that they are part of the elect.
Calvinism always avoids asserting that Jesus loves someone, or that Jesus died for them because it may not be true.
In fact, the Reformed church down the street from my home, had these words on their sign for the longest time.... "Jesus Loves Us"
Just something.
You blaspheme the God of the Bible, claiming He is unfair if He does things the exact way Scripture describes.
But you are as dishonest about this as many other things that according to you, you should be begging forgiveness for.
However pretentious your double standard, it is still a double standard.
Ok God said all that he has is in your hand. Just dont touch him.
Satan could of killed one kid or one wife or just the livestock or he could of went.... you know what this is God im dealing with here there is no way this ends without egg on my face. Im gonna go back to walking to and fro. Nope he decided to go all out. How is any of that God's fault? Are you accusing God of being evil? See last paragraph.....
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Calvinism teaches unconditional election. Scripture explicitly says: God desires all men to be saved (1 Tim. 2:4). Christ is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world (1 Jn. 2:2). Christ tasted death for everyone (Heb. 2:9). God commands all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30). God is not willing that any should perish (2 Pet. 3:9)
Calvinism must redefine these passages. Calvinism diminishes God’s stated desire for all to be saved.
Calvinism teaches that people are unconditionally born reprobate. But Scripture teaches: God makes no partiality (Acts 10:34–35). God gives every person the freedom to choose life or death (Deut. 30:19). Jesus invites all who labor and are heavy laden (Matt. 11:28). Whoever wills may come (Rev. 22:17).
The idea that God creates people with no possibility of salvation contradicts His revealed justice, mercy, and love. The system portrays God as condemning people for what He never gave them the capacity to do.
Calvinism portrays God as choosing who will respond and who will not, without any choice of the individual.
But Scripture repeatedly teaches: People are held accountable for not seeking God (Rom. 1:20–21; Acts 17:27). Many resist the Holy Spirit (Acts 7:51). Jesus wept over people who would not come (Matt. 23:37). The gospel is a genuine call to everyone (Mark 16:15; Rom. 10:13–17).
The system denies real human response and accountability.
Calvinism’s God is irresistible, overriding human will
The Bible teaches: God persuades, He does not coerce (Acts 28:23–24). The gospel can be obeyed or disobeyed (2 Thess. 1:8). People can refuse God’s counsel (Luke 7:30). Grace can be received in vain (2 Cor. 6:1). People can fall from grace (Gal. 5:4). Irresistible grace is not biblical grace.
Calvinism undermines the gospel’s universality.
The Bible teaches: for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone (Romans 1:16)..not just the elect.
If Christ did not die for all, and if only the pre-selected can respond, then the gospel becomes: Not truly “good news to all people”. Not genuinely a universal invitation. Not what any apostles or disciples of Jesus preached.
Thus the Calvinist system, taken to its logical end, changes the gospel and restricts the atonement in ways Scripture never does.
When Calvinism is taken for what its doctrines truly mean, the system: Misrepresents God’s character. Contradicts the plain teachings of Jesus. Alters the nature of the gospel. Destroys the opportunity for all of having the hope and atonement by Christ’s sacrifice. Removes genuine choice and accountability.
Truly, Calvinism preaches “another Jesus” and a “different gospel” (2 Cor. 11:4; Gal. 1:6-9).
Calvinism must redefine these passages. Calvinism diminishes God’s stated desire for all to be saved.
Calvinism teaches that people are unconditionally born reprobate. But Scripture teaches: God makes no partiality (Acts 10:34–35). God gives every person the freedom to choose life or death (Deut. 30:19). Jesus invites all who labor and are heavy laden (Matt. 11:28). Whoever wills may come (Rev. 22:17).
The idea that God creates people with no possibility of salvation contradicts His revealed justice, mercy, and love. The system portrays God as condemning people for what He never gave them the capacity to do.
Calvinism portrays God as choosing who will respond and who will not, without any choice of the individual.
But Scripture repeatedly teaches: People are held accountable for not seeking God (Rom. 1:20–21; Acts 17:27). Many resist the Holy Spirit (Acts 7:51). Jesus wept over people who would not come (Matt. 23:37). The gospel is a genuine call to everyone (Mark 16:15; Rom. 10:13–17).
The system denies real human response and accountability.
Calvinism’s God is irresistible, overriding human will
The Bible teaches: God persuades, He does not coerce (Acts 28:23–24). The gospel can be obeyed or disobeyed (2 Thess. 1:8). People can refuse God’s counsel (Luke 7:30). Grace can be received in vain (2 Cor. 6:1). People can fall from grace (Gal. 5:4). Irresistible grace is not biblical grace.
Calvinism undermines the gospel’s universality.
The Bible teaches: for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone (Romans 1:16)..not just the elect.
If Christ did not die for all, and if only the pre-selected can respond, then the gospel becomes: Not truly “good news to all people”. Not genuinely a universal invitation. Not what any apostles or disciples of Jesus preached.
Thus the Calvinist system, taken to its logical end, changes the gospel and restricts the atonement in ways Scripture never does.
When Calvinism is taken for what its doctrines truly mean, the system: Misrepresents God’s character. Contradicts the plain teachings of Jesus. Alters the nature of the gospel. Destroys the opportunity for all of having the hope and atonement by Christ’s sacrifice. Removes genuine choice and accountability.
Truly, Calvinism preaches “another Jesus” and a “different gospel” (2 Cor. 11:4; Gal. 1:6-9).
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Your claim is the God of the Bible is not even required to move people to faith. You believe yourself to be above the Truth of Scripture.
That is how far from the Truth you have wandered, in elevating man above and beyond what Scripture actually teaches of humanity.
from Revelation 3 verse 17-18 ~ You say, ‘I need nothing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind, and naked. I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, white garments so that you may be clothed and your shameful nakedness not exposed, and salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see.
C Spurgeon's Morning & Evening for Nov 15th seems like it fits perfectly with this topic
November 15 AM
"The Lord's portion is His people."-Deuteronomy 32:9
How are they His? By His own sovereign choice. He chose them, and set His love upon them. This
He did altogether apart from any goodness in them at the time, or any goodness which He foresaw in
them. He had mercy on whom He would have mercy, and ordained a chosen company unto eternal
life; thus, therefore, are they His by His unconstrained election.
They are not only His by choice, but by purchase. He has bought and paid for them to the utmost
farthing, hence about His title there can be no dispute. Not with corruptible things, as with silver and
gold, but with the precious blood of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord's portion has been fully redeemed.
There is no mortgage on His estate; no suits can be raised by opposing claimants, the price was paid
in open court, and the Church is the Lord's freehold for ever. See the blood-mark upon all the chosen,
invisible to human eye, but known to Christ, for "the Lord knoweth them that are His"; He forgetteth
none of those whom He has redeemed from among men; He counts the sheep for whom He laid
down His life, and remembers well the Church for which He gave Himself.
They are also His by conquest. What a battle He had in us before we would be won! How long He laid
siege to our hearts! How often He sent us terms of capitulation! but we barred our gates, and fenced
our walls against Him. Do we not remember that glorious hour when He carried our hearts by storm?
When He placed His cross against the wall, and scaled our ramparts, planting on our strongholds the
blood-red flag of His omnipotent mercy? Yes, we are, indeed, the conquered captives of His
omnipotent love. Thus chosen, purchased, and subdued, the rights of our divine possessor are
inalienable: we rejoice that we never can be our own; and we desire, day by day, to do His will, and to
show forth His glory.
November 15 AM
"The Lord's portion is His people."-Deuteronomy 32:9
How are they His? By His own sovereign choice. He chose them, and set His love upon them. This
He did altogether apart from any goodness in them at the time, or any goodness which He foresaw in
them. He had mercy on whom He would have mercy, and ordained a chosen company unto eternal
life; thus, therefore, are they His by His unconstrained election.
They are not only His by choice, but by purchase. He has bought and paid for them to the utmost
farthing, hence about His title there can be no dispute. Not with corruptible things, as with silver and
gold, but with the precious blood of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord's portion has been fully redeemed.
There is no mortgage on His estate; no suits can be raised by opposing claimants, the price was paid
in open court, and the Church is the Lord's freehold for ever. See the blood-mark upon all the chosen,
invisible to human eye, but known to Christ, for "the Lord knoweth them that are His"; He forgetteth
none of those whom He has redeemed from among men; He counts the sheep for whom He laid
down His life, and remembers well the Church for which He gave Himself.
They are also His by conquest. What a battle He had in us before we would be won! How long He laid
siege to our hearts! How often He sent us terms of capitulation! but we barred our gates, and fenced
our walls against Him. Do we not remember that glorious hour when He carried our hearts by storm?
When He placed His cross against the wall, and scaled our ramparts, planting on our strongholds the
blood-red flag of His omnipotent mercy? Yes, we are, indeed, the conquered captives of His
omnipotent love. Thus chosen, purchased, and subdued, the rights of our divine possessor are
inalienable: we rejoice that we never can be our own; and we desire, day by day, to do His will, and to
show forth His glory.
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Blue155
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Calvinism has to redefine and twist scripture. It’s one thing to understand and harmonize passages. It’s something entirely different to redefine, twist, and pervert the word of the LORD.
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The Danger of Calvinism [When applied consistently and logically]
1. If Calvinism is correct and God decreed/ordained/predestined every single event to happen, then that would mean He is directly and personally responsible for every rape, murder, liar, molester, thievery, idolater, drunkard, junkie, sorcerer, atheist, Satanist, terrorist, human genocide, etc etc. He would be responsible for every single evil that has ever walked the face of the planet…you name it…He decreed/ordained it to happen due to Calvinism. And that is utter blasphemy.
2. This doctrine is making God the author of evil/sin/wickedness. It’s a very ungodly doctrine that has people to be lost when they had no choice in the matter due to God purposefully choosing them to be lost. It makes God a respecter of persons, and has Him being very unjust which is completely opposite of a loving and Holy God. On judgment day, as they are being cast into the lake of fire, they should say “NOOOO!!! I DIDN’T HAVE A CHANCE!! It’s not MY fault!! YOU didn’t give ME the ABILITY to CHOOSE!!!” Calvinism’s God simply says “Tough…you can’t and couldn’t do a thing about it because those were the cards that were stacked against you and those are the cards that I dealt you.”
3. According to consistent Calvinists, nothing happens outside of God’s will and we can’t do anything outside of His will. Everything that happens is because it has been decreed before the world ever began. So, when a child gets molested is that God’s will? Is the molester doing the will of God by doing that sin that they were decreed to do? If the molester does not do that, then would the molester be going outside of God’s will that the molester was decreed to do? If a good Samaritan stops the molester from doing a sin, then the good Samaritan that stops them would be going against what God has decreed the molester to do, or whoever else that is sinning. Such a sick and blasphemous doctrine.
4. How does anyone know what God has decreed if people are told to stop doing something when God has decreed it? Would a Christian be wrong for telling a sinner who was decreed by God to sin to stop sinning? Would the decree of God have a Christian stop a sinner from sinning interfere or go outside God’s will with His decree to have a sinner commit sin? In other words, their doctrine has God contradicting Himself in what He has decreed. This doctrine makes no sense at all.
5. Did God decree all of this to happen? Did He decree me to type and post this? If He did, then is it wrong what I believe? If it is, then did God decree something wrong since I strongly disagree with Calvinism? If Calvinists disagree, then were they decreed to disagree with what God decreed of me to believe? Everyone would be going against what God decrees according to Calvinism. If some are unconditionally chosen to have eternal life, then why bother preaching the gospel? Why bother giving us the Bible? Why did Jesus have to die if some are already unconditionally saved?
6. If everything is predestined by God, then why bother telling a sinner they are in the wrong since they are doing what God predestined, decreed, and or ordained them to do or believe in the first place?
7. The doctrine of Calvinism makes God into an evil tyrant that is unmerciful and is not the God of the Bible. Why would it matter to Calvinists how anyone acts if God has decreed/ordained them to act like that? Would they now be saying what God has decreed to be wrong with how someone acts? Why would anyone have to justify their behavior if God is the one who decreed it? If God decreed it, then would that not make it justifiable?
8. If we do what God has decreed of us by telling Calvinists they are in biblical error, then we would be doing what God wants us to do since we have been decreed to do that. And at the same time, they would be telling us we are in biblical error, as they would feel they would be doing what God wants them to do since they claim He decreed them to do that, which once again is making God decree things differently, which is making God essentially decree against Himself. Who can believe it?
9. Their own theology (when taking logically and consistently) is everything that we do is simply what God makes us do or forces us to do--including not to believe Calvinism. It’s God’s fault for having some to think the way they do about Calvinism, all while the Calvinists are mad because people who believe differently than them are only doing what God decreed me and others to do. Was God wrong in decreeing people to be this way?
10. We are made in the image of God. How can we be made in the image of God if we are born sinners and how can our soul and spirit come from God if we are born sinners, i.e. child of the devil? What part of us is born totally depraved? What part of man is made in the image of God and what part of man is born in sin? Did God have some to be made in His image, yet have them be as children of the devil at birth??
11. The logical conclusion to their doctrine is nothing more than utter blasphemy.
Scriptural refutation of Calvinism: The Bible tells us to diligently seek Him (Heb. 11:6). If we don’t have the ability to seek God, then why would the author of the book of Hebrews tell us to diligently seek Him? We are told to seek the Lord (Acts 17:27, Old Testament example, Deut. 4:29). Other passages that tells us to seek are Matthew 6:33 (seek the kingdom of God), Matthew 7:7 (seek and ye shall find).
How was the angel of God able to give Cornelius a vision telling him to send for Peter, and the Spirit telling Peter three men (I believe one of them being Cornelius) are said to have seeked after Peter (Acts 10:19), when the Spirit was not poured on Cornelius and his kin until after Peter got there (Acts 10:44)? If it takes a direct operation by the Spirit to seek God, then how did Cornelius do this before the Spirit fell on him and the other Gentiles, and gave them the abilities to speak in tongues?
If we are so depraved and we can’t seek after God, then why are there passages telling us to “come”? (Rev. 22:17, Matthew 11:28). If we don’t have the ability to choose since we are depraved, then why are there passages telling us to choose? (OT: Deut. 30:9 “choose life”, Joshua 24:15 “choose you this day whom ye will serve”)
The Bible says Christ died for all men (1 John 2:2, 2 Cor. 5:15, etc etc). For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life (John 3:16). He wants all to be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth (1 Tim. 2:4). The limited atonement view believes He only died for the elect.
“Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.” (Acts 7:51). We can, and we do have free will to resist.
There were some in the church of Galatia who were being warned what would happen if they leave Christ, or if they had already rejected Christ to return to the law of Moses, which caused them to have fallen from grace Gal. 5:3-4). I would say some had rejected Christ because Galatians 1:6 says “I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel”, and I believe Paul was also warning the others of what would happen if they had done this. Some might say Gal. 5:3-4 doesn’t apply today since no one returns back to the law of Moses, but for our time the result would be the same to anyone who remove themselves from Christ. The result would be they fall from grace. (Gal. 5:4).
The Hebrews author said “Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?” (Heb. 10:29)
“Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God…” (Heb. 12:15)
Now, does this sound like the God of the Bible to you? Does the God of the Bible have us to be born sinners, damned in sin to the point we can’t believe, choose or seek Him unless God chooses us to be able? Does the God of the Bible unconditionally elect who will be saved and lost with no choice of their own? Did the God of the Bible have Jesus to die for all men or only the elect? Did He not give us free will to reject grace? Does the God of the Bible not warn us about the danger of apostasy?
Why even bother telling others to place faith in God if they don’t have the ability without God giving it to them? I strongly urge anyone who believes in Calvinism to repent!
1. If Calvinism is correct and God decreed/ordained/predestined every single event to happen, then that would mean He is directly and personally responsible for every rape, murder, liar, molester, thievery, idolater, drunkard, junkie, sorcerer, atheist, Satanist, terrorist, human genocide, etc etc. He would be responsible for every single evil that has ever walked the face of the planet…you name it…He decreed/ordained it to happen due to Calvinism. And that is utter blasphemy.
2. This doctrine is making God the author of evil/sin/wickedness. It’s a very ungodly doctrine that has people to be lost when they had no choice in the matter due to God purposefully choosing them to be lost. It makes God a respecter of persons, and has Him being very unjust which is completely opposite of a loving and Holy God. On judgment day, as they are being cast into the lake of fire, they should say “NOOOO!!! I DIDN’T HAVE A CHANCE!! It’s not MY fault!! YOU didn’t give ME the ABILITY to CHOOSE!!!” Calvinism’s God simply says “Tough…you can’t and couldn’t do a thing about it because those were the cards that were stacked against you and those are the cards that I dealt you.”
3. According to consistent Calvinists, nothing happens outside of God’s will and we can’t do anything outside of His will. Everything that happens is because it has been decreed before the world ever began. So, when a child gets molested is that God’s will? Is the molester doing the will of God by doing that sin that they were decreed to do? If the molester does not do that, then would the molester be going outside of God’s will that the molester was decreed to do? If a good Samaritan stops the molester from doing a sin, then the good Samaritan that stops them would be going against what God has decreed the molester to do, or whoever else that is sinning. Such a sick and blasphemous doctrine.
4. How does anyone know what God has decreed if people are told to stop doing something when God has decreed it? Would a Christian be wrong for telling a sinner who was decreed by God to sin to stop sinning? Would the decree of God have a Christian stop a sinner from sinning interfere or go outside God’s will with His decree to have a sinner commit sin? In other words, their doctrine has God contradicting Himself in what He has decreed. This doctrine makes no sense at all.
5. Did God decree all of this to happen? Did He decree me to type and post this? If He did, then is it wrong what I believe? If it is, then did God decree something wrong since I strongly disagree with Calvinism? If Calvinists disagree, then were they decreed to disagree with what God decreed of me to believe? Everyone would be going against what God decrees according to Calvinism. If some are unconditionally chosen to have eternal life, then why bother preaching the gospel? Why bother giving us the Bible? Why did Jesus have to die if some are already unconditionally saved?
6. If everything is predestined by God, then why bother telling a sinner they are in the wrong since they are doing what God predestined, decreed, and or ordained them to do or believe in the first place?
7. The doctrine of Calvinism makes God into an evil tyrant that is unmerciful and is not the God of the Bible. Why would it matter to Calvinists how anyone acts if God has decreed/ordained them to act like that? Would they now be saying what God has decreed to be wrong with how someone acts? Why would anyone have to justify their behavior if God is the one who decreed it? If God decreed it, then would that not make it justifiable?
8. If we do what God has decreed of us by telling Calvinists they are in biblical error, then we would be doing what God wants us to do since we have been decreed to do that. And at the same time, they would be telling us we are in biblical error, as they would feel they would be doing what God wants them to do since they claim He decreed them to do that, which once again is making God decree things differently, which is making God essentially decree against Himself. Who can believe it?
9. Their own theology (when taking logically and consistently) is everything that we do is simply what God makes us do or forces us to do--including not to believe Calvinism. It’s God’s fault for having some to think the way they do about Calvinism, all while the Calvinists are mad because people who believe differently than them are only doing what God decreed me and others to do. Was God wrong in decreeing people to be this way?
10. We are made in the image of God. How can we be made in the image of God if we are born sinners and how can our soul and spirit come from God if we are born sinners, i.e. child of the devil? What part of us is born totally depraved? What part of man is made in the image of God and what part of man is born in sin? Did God have some to be made in His image, yet have them be as children of the devil at birth??
11. The logical conclusion to their doctrine is nothing more than utter blasphemy.
Scriptural refutation of Calvinism: The Bible tells us to diligently seek Him (Heb. 11:6). If we don’t have the ability to seek God, then why would the author of the book of Hebrews tell us to diligently seek Him? We are told to seek the Lord (Acts 17:27, Old Testament example, Deut. 4:29). Other passages that tells us to seek are Matthew 6:33 (seek the kingdom of God), Matthew 7:7 (seek and ye shall find).
How was the angel of God able to give Cornelius a vision telling him to send for Peter, and the Spirit telling Peter three men (I believe one of them being Cornelius) are said to have seeked after Peter (Acts 10:19), when the Spirit was not poured on Cornelius and his kin until after Peter got there (Acts 10:44)? If it takes a direct operation by the Spirit to seek God, then how did Cornelius do this before the Spirit fell on him and the other Gentiles, and gave them the abilities to speak in tongues?
If we are so depraved and we can’t seek after God, then why are there passages telling us to “come”? (Rev. 22:17, Matthew 11:28). If we don’t have the ability to choose since we are depraved, then why are there passages telling us to choose? (OT: Deut. 30:9 “choose life”, Joshua 24:15 “choose you this day whom ye will serve”)
The Bible says Christ died for all men (1 John 2:2, 2 Cor. 5:15, etc etc). For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life (John 3:16). He wants all to be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth (1 Tim. 2:4). The limited atonement view believes He only died for the elect.
“Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.” (Acts 7:51). We can, and we do have free will to resist.
There were some in the church of Galatia who were being warned what would happen if they leave Christ, or if they had already rejected Christ to return to the law of Moses, which caused them to have fallen from grace Gal. 5:3-4). I would say some had rejected Christ because Galatians 1:6 says “I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel”, and I believe Paul was also warning the others of what would happen if they had done this. Some might say Gal. 5:3-4 doesn’t apply today since no one returns back to the law of Moses, but for our time the result would be the same to anyone who remove themselves from Christ. The result would be they fall from grace. (Gal. 5:4).
The Hebrews author said “Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?” (Heb. 10:29)
“Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God…” (Heb. 12:15)
Now, does this sound like the God of the Bible to you? Does the God of the Bible have us to be born sinners, damned in sin to the point we can’t believe, choose or seek Him unless God chooses us to be able? Does the God of the Bible unconditionally elect who will be saved and lost with no choice of their own? Did the God of the Bible have Jesus to die for all men or only the elect? Did He not give us free will to reject grace? Does the God of the Bible not warn us about the danger of apostasy?
Why even bother telling others to place faith in God if they don’t have the ability without God giving it to them? I strongly urge anyone who believes in Calvinism to repent!
You come across as being quite obsessed. You and some others who hate what Scripture says...
Flesh serves the law of sin. For the flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are opposed to each other. Nothing good lives in my flesh. Who can say, “I have kept my heart pure; I am clean and without sin”? Who can bring what is pure from the impure? No one! The flesh brings forth fruit unto death. Romans 7 v 25, Galatians 5 v 17, Romans 7 v 18, Proverbs 20 v 9, Job 14 v 4, Romans 7 v 5 (Romans 8 v 13 and James 1 v 15)
I told Jordon as it is. Rather be honest with him; this way we don't waste each other's time. My eyes often glaze over when trying to understand his posts.
Gas lighters mYou come across as being quite obsessed. You and some others who hate what Scripture says...
Flesh serves the law of sin. For the flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are opposed to each other. Nothing good lives in my flesh. Who can say, “I have kept my heart pure; I am clean and without sin”? Who can bring what is pure from the impure? No one! The flesh brings forth fruit unto death. Romans 7 v 25, Galatians 5 v 17, Romans 7 v 18, Proverbs 20 v 9, Job 14 v 4, Romans 7 v 5 (Romans 8 v 13 and James 1 v 15)
They've been trying to gas light everything I've said all day to
well seeing as you're talking about me Rufus
Because I can't believe certain aspects of the bible your way, which is not because I don't want, it's because I can't
Do you have to stop speaking to me ?
Do you think he's stuck on stupid or suffering from acute CDS...or maybe both?You come across as being quite obsessed. You and some others who hate what Scripture says...
Flesh serves the law of sin. For the flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are opposed to each other. Nothing good lives in my flesh. Who can say, “I have kept my heart pure; I am clean and without sin”? Who can bring what is pure from the impure? No one! The flesh brings forth fruit unto death. Romans 7 v 25, Galatians 5 v 17, Romans 7 v 18, Proverbs 20 v 9, Job 14 v 4, Romans 7 v 5 (Romans 8 v 13 and James 1 v 15)
It's like a beard they've grown and won't shave off. It's become too convenient for them to hide behind their logical fallacies.
