Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Dead wrong is what the Calvinists postulate and proclaim about the {elect-foreknowledge-predestination-believing} matrix."dead wrong"
Good way to put it.
And the fact is that this in aggregate is "dead easy" to comprehend, a piece of cake to rightly understand.
But "dead easy" only for those not wearing those tragic and painful Calvinist blinders.....
Dead wrong is what the Calvinists postulate and proclaim about the {elect-foreknowledge-predestination-believing} matrix.
And the fact is that this in aggregate is "dead easy" to comprehend, a piece of cake to rightly understand.
But "dead easy" only for those not wearing those tragic and painful Calvinist blinders.....
Are they good or bad?
The real problem is this is the truth About John Calvin, and you lot are attacking innocence and leading people to stumble.
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Well if we must endure we must.Dead wrong is what the Calvinists postulate and proclaim about the {elect-foreknowledge-predestination-believing} matrix.
And the fact is that this in aggregate is "dead easy" to comprehend, a piece of cake to rightly understand.
But "dead easy" only for those not wearing those tragic and painful Calvinist blinders.....
If God will it he does
What's really sad is the fact that every bit of Gods will has been assigned to calvinism.
When in actuality it's God's
your the worst calvinist here@HeIsHere, odd how they think we are the natural man, contradicting scripture, heretics, etc, when we are doing what God has (per Calvinism) eternally decreed us to do and believe. Then they get mad at His own eternal decree!
You force your will more than I've had hot dinners
you predestine us to your brilliant imagination each day in which you elected yourselfIt’s not their fault…they were predestined and eternally decreed to do so
Saying we have no free-will places all the blame on God, and shifts all the responsibility away from them.
And, you are included in with that number in what you do not believe what it says...
Why are you so stubborn?
Stubbornness does not substitute for genuine conviction.
It does not make you right.
Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge,
but whoever hates correction is stupid. Proverbs 12:1
Now... want to Report God's word?
@HeIsHere, odd how they think we are the natural man, contradicting scripture, heretics, etc, when we are doing what God has (per Calvinism) eternally decreed us to do and believe. Then they get mad at His own eternal decree!
Yes so true, so much irony, inconsistency, at every turn.
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Blue155
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@HeIsHere @cv5 @Genez @Bible_Highlighter If our rejection of Calvinism is decreed by God, then Calvinists are sinning by saying we are wrong or in error, because they’re saying God’s eternal will is wrong and is error.
They are having God to eternally decree against His own eternal decrees!
They’re not actually arguing against us. They’re arguing with their own doctrine.
They are basically saying: “God sovereignly ordained you to be wrong!! How dare you obey His decree?!”
They are having God to eternally decree against His own eternal decrees!
They’re not actually arguing against us. They’re arguing with their own doctrine.
They are basically saying: “God sovereignly ordained you to be wrong!! How dare you obey His decree?!”
@HeIsHere @cv5 @Genez @Bible_Highlighter If our rejection of Calvinism is decreed by God, then Calvinists are sinning by saying we are wrong or in error, because they’re saying God’s eternal will is wrong and is error.
They are having God to eternally decree against His own eternal decrees!
They’re not actually arguing against us. They’re arguing with their own doctrine.
They are basically saying: “God sovereignly ordained you to be wrong!! How dare you obey His decree?!”
Interesting observation, I wonder if they have an answer.
It wonder how they would deal this obvious contradiction.
@HeIsHere @cv5 @Genez @Bible_Highlighter If our rejection of Calvinism is decreed by God, then Calvinists are sinning by saying we are wrong or in error, because they’re saying God’s eternal will is wrong and is error.
They are having God to eternally decree against His own eternal decrees!
They’re not actually arguing against us. They’re arguing with their own doctrine.
They are basically saying: “God sovereignly ordained you to be wrong!! How dare you obey His decree?!”
If all things have been settled beforehand, the idea that one has the ability to do otherwise is dishonest.
As well, the very nature one has drives desires which are also determined for us.
Thinking on it some more, you have revealed the absurdity of Calvinism/TULIP/Reformed doctrine.
We don't have to be God to prayerfully, humbly,. diligently, methodically and responsibly search His authoritative, infallible and inspired revelation, as the Bereans did, to find the truth on any given matter.
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Blue155
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Calvinism is an inconsistent doctrine and theology. If Calvinism is true, Romans 9 would be “O man, who are you to reply against God? You’re the man who has been eternally decreed to reply against God. How dare you do what God ordained you to do from eternity? Oh, and by the way, you are going to be rebuked and eternally punished for doing what you were eternally determined and decreed to do”—all while Calvinism teaches and believes God is righteous, holy, loving and just. Can’t have both ways.
Some more thoughts…are the elect already elected before the foundation of the world? Are they saved before the foundation of the world? That would mean total depravity is false for the elect, but they are having the elect to be totally depraved at birth all while being the elect!!
And if two parents who have be cleansed by the blood Christ…are they still totally depraved or did the blood of Christ wash that away? And if not, why not? Is the blood not able to wash away any and all that has been repented of? And how does one repent of a sin that they did not commit (such as inherited Adam’s sin, per Calvinism?) If the blood of Christ did cleanse the parents of from being totally depraved, then is their children still born totally depraved? If they are, then was Adam’s sin that their parents “inherited” not cleansed by the blood of Jesus? If it was cleansed, then why are their children born “totally depraved”? Especially if their parents are the elect from the foundation?
So, they are left with two options:
Either 1) The blood of Christ is not sufficient to be able to wash away and take away “inherited sin” or 2) The false teaching of total depravity/inability is not consistent, because as parents who are regenerated and the elect, Adam’s sin should no longer be passed to their children.
Interesting observation, I wonder if they have an answer.
It wonder how they would deal this obvious contradiction.
You're imagining things again, as is Blue155. There's no contradiction to point out others sins or errors. The basis for God's judgment of all mankind is man's moral/spiritual culpability due to sin.
I've never been posted by you. It appears other parts of your bod need thorough cleaning as well -- starting with your heart and mind.