Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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John 10 verses 27-28 My sheep hear My voice, I know them and they follow Me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand.
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“Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
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John 3 verse 3, John 1 verse 13, James 1 verse 18, Romans 8 verse 9b, 1 Peter 2 verse 9 ~ Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.” Born not of blood, nor of the desire or will of man, but born of God. He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we would be a kind of firstfruits of His creation. If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. You are chosen to proclaim the virtues of Him Who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light. My soul will exult in my God, for He has clothed me with garments of salvation, and wrapped me in a robe of righteousness. Plus Isaiah 61 verse 10
 
If you are walking in the Spirit?....
And, have matured by learning and understanding a large amount of sound doctrine to think with?
You will be able to do His will that otherwise you might think it is a wrong thing to do according to your own understanding.


For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the Lord.
“As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts. Isaiah 55:8-9

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Nice one mate I'll go with that.

Your sounding more and more like a true blue 😉

I will knight you into my Calvin hood 🤩
 
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Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. Stand firm, then, and do not be encumbered once more by a yoke of slavery. For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set you free from the law of sin and death. Now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the outcome is eternal life. 2 Corinthians 3 verse 17; Galatians 5 verse 1; Romans 8 verse 2; from Romans 6 verse 22
 
Matthew 13:11-17
Jesus says it is GIVEN to KNOW the mysteries of the kingdom to some and not others. He goes on to say that He spoke in parables so that some seeing will see not and hearing will not hear or understand. I thought Jesus wanted everyone to hear and understand and see and perceive. He sure is impugning the character of God.
 
Nice one mate I'll go with that.

Your sounding more and more like a true blue 😉

I will knight you into my Calvin hood 🤩


Here is a verse of the day for you....

When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child.
When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me."
1 Corinthians 13:11​
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This chain is impossible under total depravity, because total depravity demands: no hearing, no learning, no responding, no drawing near, unless regeneration happens first.

But Scripture repeatedly makes the word itself the means of: awakening, persuading, convicting, drawing, saving.
Thus regeneration cannot come before faith, and total depravity collapses.

Agree 100 %

It is interesting to note, we are refuting "tenets" of Calvinism that are not really there, they have been read into their proof texts or they deny the context.
 
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Matthew 13:11-17
Jesus says it is GIVEN to KNOW the mysteries of the kingdom to some and not others. He goes on to say that He spoke in parables so that some seeing will see not and hearing will not hear or understand. I thought Jesus wanted everyone to hear and understand and see and perceive. He sure is impugning the character of God.
Not really...

He allows the spiritual morons to be spiritual morons and thinking they are happy about it.

And in doing so?

Leaves them content, to be as they are, without them persecuting the ones who are truly maturing.
 
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Not really...

He allows the spiritual morons to be spiritual morons and thinking they are happy about it.

And in doing so?

Leaves them content, to be as they are, without them persecuting the ones who are truly maturing.

Along with the fact there is no attempt to contextualize the verse.
 
Here is a verse of the day for you....

When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child.
When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me."
1 Corinthians 13:11​
.......
do you about the child that Got talked to in the wilderness by God
 
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Matthew 13:11-17
Jesus says it is GIVEN to KNOW the mysteries of the kingdom to some and not others. He goes on to say that He spoke in parables so that some seeing will see not and hearing will not hear or understand. I thought Jesus wanted everyone to hear and understand and see and perceive. He sure is impugning the character of God.
Time for HeIsHere to swoop in and tell us how unfair God is?

I know it is a long shot, but maybe, just maybe, HeIs is ready to apologize for her blasphemies against God and beg forgiveness...
 
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From Matthew 4 verse 4 Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.
And when your set apart it's a long old road from the world you once knew, you walk alone but you don't walk alone your with God, the world you once loved, takes time to separate from. The loneliness of the world leaving you is lonely, as his word disciplines you, with responsibility,

Well its a long walk down a narrow path in the world you once knew. Still broken from The separation its quite lonely and brokenness of seeing where God is showing you your ways that you once new, also becomes a burden, which again you walk a lonely narrow path in world where his ways are hidden.from many yet and you become more broken as you see them.

But you are worth more than many sparrows
 
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Not really...

He allows the spiritual morons to be spiritual morons and thinking they are happy about it.

And in doing so?

Leaves them content, to be as they are, without them persecuting the ones who are truly maturing.
Paul also disciplined himself so that he never became a spiritual moran

And when your set apart it's not chosen,

It's more broken than you can possibly imagine
 
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Nice one mate I'll go with that.

Your sounding more and more like a true blue 😉

I will knight you into my Calvin hood 🤩
Here's one for you...

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James 1:13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone.

If God (according to true and faithful Calvinism) unchangeably eternally decrees every thought, motive, intention, event, desire, choice of mankind, then they would be tempted by God, as man’s temptations would also be eternally decreed, or else God would not have eternally decreed all things. Calvinism, once again, when taking logically and consistently, has God eternally decreeing against Himself, by tempting people. Then, He says He does not tempt anyone, but if all things were eternally decreed, then that would include temptations.

Question: If every temptation is decreed, then God is tempting people. But James says He does not. Which is it? Either Calvinism is wrong or James’ wrong. And James is not wrong.
 
Romans 10:17 refutes total inability

“Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”

Calvinism says:
You must be regenerated before you can hear spiritually.

Paul says:
Hearing the word is what produces faith.

John 6:45 refutes total inability

“Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.”

Calvinism says:
Dead sinners cannot hear or learn until after regeneration.

Jesus says:
Hearing and learning come before coming to Him.

John 6:63 refutes total inability

“The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.”

Calvinism says:
Regeneration gives life so you can receive the word.

Jesus says:
His words give life.

The life comes through the word, not before the word.

Hebrews 7:19 refutes total inability

“By this better hope we draw near to God.”

Calvinism says:
Man cannot “draw near” until God regenerates him.

But Hebrews says we draw near because of the hope provided in Christ —
not because of pre-salvation regeneration.

Drawing is made possible by Christ’s provision, not irresistible grace.

Acts 11:14 refutes total inability

“…who will tell you words by which you will be saved.”

Calvinism says:
Regeneration must happen before hearing.

Acts says/teaches:
The words of God must be heard to be saved.

Summary: All these passages show man CAN respond when taught

The pattern is consistent:

God draws by His word: people hear, people learn, people believe, people come, people receive life, people are saved.

This chain is impossible under total depravity, because total depravity demands: no hearing, no learning, no responding, no drawing near, unless regeneration happens first.

But Scripture repeatedly makes the word itself the means of: awakening, persuading, convicting, drawing, saving.
Thus regeneration cannot come before faith, and total depravity collapses.
your just so confused it's unreal

Hear theses Calvies bell ringing

Moses summoned all Israel and said:

Hear, Israel, the decrees and laws I declare in your hearing today. Learn them and be sure to follow them. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. 3 It was not with our ancestors[a] that the Lord made this covenant, but with us, with all of us who are alive here today. 4 The Lord spoke to you face to face out of the fire on the mountain. 5 (At that time I stood between the Lord and you to declare to you the word of the Lord, because you were afraid of the fire and did not go up the mountain.) And he said:

6 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.


When you heard the voice out of the darkness, while the mountain was ablaze with fire, all the leaders of your tribes and your elders came to me. 24 And you said, “The Lord our God has shown us his glory and his majesty, and we have heard his voice from the fire. Today we have seen that a person can live even if God speaks with them. 25 But now, why should we die? This great fire will consume us, and we will die if we hear the voice of the Lord our God any longer. 26 For what mortal has ever heard the voice of the living God speaking out of fire, as we have, and survived? 27 Go near and listen to all that the Lord our God says. Then tell us whatever the Lord our God tells you. We will listen and obey.”
 
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How about it @OLDBUTNEW

Do you see his mercy working upon them and in them in the old testament

Old testament

Does his mercy work here upon them and in them

Deuteronomy 7

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Driving Out the Nations
7 When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations—the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you— 2 and when the Lord your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally.[a] Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy. 3 Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons, 4 for they will turn your children away from following me to serve other gods, and the Lord’s anger will burn against you and will quickly destroy you. 5 This is what you are to do to them: Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones, cut down their Asherah poles[b] and burn their idols in the fire. 6 For you are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lord your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.
7 The Lord did not set his affection on you and choose you because you were more numerous than other peoples, for you were the fewest of all peoples. 8 But it was because the Lord loved you and kept the oath he swore to your ancestors that he brought you out with a mighty hand and redeemed you from the land of slavery, from the power of Pharaoh king of Egypt. 9 Know therefore that the Lord your God is God; he is the faithful God, keeping his covenant of love to a thousand generations of those who love him and keep his commandments

Yes, HIS MERCY was on the Children of Israel.
 
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If you can explain what he meant, go for it. How does everything exist before the foundation? Start there.

Also, just in case you don't know, you don't have to type peoples names if you use the quote system as it will automatically notify them of your response. You only need to type their name if you want them to see a post where they are not quoted directly. :)

I don't understand the Bible anywhere near as well as brother Jordon does; but anyway, I just thought it was a bit rude of brother Rufus to say what he said to brother Jordon.
 
Yes, HIS MERCY was on the Children of Israel.
Yes, HIS MERCY was on the Children of Israel.
he says to all the children of Israel who where actually the least of his chosen


There deeds where as bad as anyone else.

He said this to them, all of them, which would have been thousands and thousands

Show them no mercy


Which means if God is asking you to show them no mercy, it's means the mercy he gave you is now his mercy working in you.

He poured out his mercy on them, before he said show them no mercy, where by he said show them no mercy.

Which means friend mercy was enabled in them, which means some regeneration takes place before being filled with the holy spirit

Why friend

Well the fathers mercy is also the same as the sons mercy 😉
 
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