The Rapture
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as the events are so similar.
See you guys totally ignore the fact that Jesus left the earth, went to hell to minister to the spirits there, and then RETURNED to earth.
You guys lump all mentionings of Jesus' returning into ONE return at the start of the milennium. Jesus left, went to hell, came back, left at the acension and is coming back again.
You guys lump all mentionings of Jesus' returning into ONE return at the start of the milennium. Jesus left, went to hell, came back, left at the acension and is coming back again.
"They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle.
The point that I am making is that, you are debating about things that you know nothing about. You say they don't have wings, yet I just presented the scripture that says they do.
I assure you that I am not grasping at straws. You just don't know the difference between the coming of the Lord and our being gathered to him vs. the day of the Lord, which the wrath of God and which is what Paul was talking about when he said, "that day (the wrath of God) will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed.
Regarding Darby, this is just a popular apologetic that you and others continue to repeat over and over to discredit those of us who believe in the Lord's promise to keep us out of the hour of wrath and take us back to the Father's house. As I have said so many times, neither Darby, nor MacDonald, nor Scofield are responsible for the teaching that the gathering of the church takes place prior to God's wrath, but is scriptural. I have never read anything by any of those people, yet I came to this conclusion from comparing and cross-referencing scripture.
Please explain to me Rev.17:14, 19:6-8 and 19:14. Who are they and when and where are they descending from?
The point that I am making is that, you are debating about things that you know nothing about. You say they don't have wings, yet I just presented the scripture that says they do.
I assure you that I am not grasping at straws. You just don't know the difference between the coming of the Lord and our being gathered to him vs. the day of the Lord, which the wrath of God and which is what Paul was talking about when he said, "that day (the wrath of God) will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed.
Regarding Darby, this is just a popular apologetic that you and others continue to repeat over and over to discredit those of us who believe in the Lord's promise to keep us out of the hour of wrath and take us back to the Father's house. As I have said so many times, neither Darby, nor MacDonald, nor Scofield are responsible for the teaching that the gathering of the church takes place prior to God's wrath, but is scriptural. I have never read anything by any of those people, yet I came to this conclusion from comparing and cross-referencing scripture.
Please explain to me Rev.17:14, 19:6-8 and 19:14. Who are they and when and where are they descending from?
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This is not supported by scripture Tanakh! Below is basically the same description of "the day of the Lord" given by all of the OT prophets:
"See, the day of the LORD is coming --a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger-- to make the land desolate and destroy the sinners within it.
The stars of heaven and their constellations will not show their light. The rising sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light.
I will punish the world for its evil, the wicked for their sins. I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty and will humble the pride of the ruthless. I will make people scarcer than pure gold, more rare than the gold of Ophir.
Therefore I will make the heavens tremble; and the earth will shake from its place at the wrath of the LORD Almighty, in the day of his burning anger.
Therefore regarding the day of the Lord continuing until the Lord's second coming, that would mean that the characteristics mentioned above would have continued until this very day and you can see for yourself that that is not true.
The day of the Lord will be an unprecedented time of wrath which will be in operation in during that last seven years. The day of the Lord is not currently in operation. Furthermore, below is what Zephaniah prophesied regarding the day of the Lord:
"I will sweep away everything from the face of the earth, When I destroy all mankind on the face of the earth, declares the LORD.
I will sweep away both man and beast; I will sweep away the birds in the sky and the fish in the sea-- and the idols that cause the wicked to stumble." "When I destroy all mankind on the face of the earth," declares the LORD"
Between the prophecy of Isaiah and Zephaniah, has any that was mentioned taken place? Are we experiencing it now?
This is why I continue to proclaim that, those who claim that the church is going to go through the day of the Lord, the wrath of God, do not understand the severity and magnitude of God's coming wrath. It will be just as Jesus said, "unless those days had been shortened, no one would be left alive."
"See, the day of the LORD is coming --a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger-- to make the land desolate and destroy the sinners within it.
The stars of heaven and their constellations will not show their light. The rising sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light.
I will punish the world for its evil, the wicked for their sins. I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty and will humble the pride of the ruthless. I will make people scarcer than pure gold, more rare than the gold of Ophir.
Therefore I will make the heavens tremble; and the earth will shake from its place at the wrath of the LORD Almighty, in the day of his burning anger.
Therefore regarding the day of the Lord continuing until the Lord's second coming, that would mean that the characteristics mentioned above would have continued until this very day and you can see for yourself that that is not true.
The day of the Lord will be an unprecedented time of wrath which will be in operation in during that last seven years. The day of the Lord is not currently in operation. Furthermore, below is what Zephaniah prophesied regarding the day of the Lord:
"I will sweep away everything from the face of the earth, When I destroy all mankind on the face of the earth, declares the LORD.
I will sweep away both man and beast; I will sweep away the birds in the sky and the fish in the sea-- and the idols that cause the wicked to stumble." "When I destroy all mankind on the face of the earth," declares the LORD"
Between the prophecy of Isaiah and Zephaniah, has any that was mentioned taken place? Are we experiencing it now?
This is why I continue to proclaim that, those who claim that the church is going to go through the day of the Lord, the wrath of God, do not understand the severity and magnitude of God's coming wrath. It will be just as Jesus said, "unless those days had been shortened, no one would be left alive."