The Rapture

[KJV1611]

Unbelievable what im reading here ive been ta many churches and no one anywhere said things like this that Jesus already came or great tribulation is past already? it cant be past because Jesus returns at da end of da tribulation or as the bible calls it the time of jacob's trouble. what churches do u go to this sounds very suspicious and scary. u need to hear some real man of God preach the truth of God's word nto these manmade darby josephus theologians or catholic church fathers who cares about them lets see what the bible teaches.

Zephaniah 1:7-8 KJV
Hold thy peace at the presence of the Lord God : for the day of the Lord is at hand: for the Lord hath prepared a sacrifice, he hath bid his guests.

[8] And it shall come to pass in the day of the Lord's sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.

At the day of the Lord, God has a sacrifice prepared. The Lord's sacrifice was Jesus, if the day of the Lord is future, how do you explain the Lord's sacrifice?

 

[KJV1611]

Zephaniah 1:7-8 KJV
Hold thy peace at the presence of the Lord God : for the day of the Lord is at hand: for the Lord hath prepared a sacrifice, he hath bid his guests.

[8] And it shall come to pass in the day of the Lord's sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.

At the day of the Lord, God has a sacrifice prepared. The Lord's sacrifice was Jesus, if the day of the Lord is future, how do you explain the Lord's sacrifice?

You guys correct me on this if I'm wrong, but I don't see how the day of Lord could possibly be in the future.

 

[PlainWord]

Unbelievable what im reading here ive been ta many churches and no one anywhere said things like this that Jesus already came or great tribulation is past already? it cant be past because Jesus returns at da end of da tribulation or as the bible calls it the time of jacob's trouble. what churches do u go to this sounds very suspicious and scary. u need to hear some real man of God preach the truth of God's word nto these manmade darby josephus theologians or catholic church fathers who cares about them lets see what the bible teaches.

[SUP]16 [/SUP]“then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

Where is Judea my young friend? It was the worst trouble any nation ever endured.

 

[PlainWord]

You guys correct me on this if I'm wrong, but I don't see how the day of Lord could possibly be in the future.

Obviously you are correct. There have been 4 days of the Lord, each representing judgment against a wicked nation, the last one being Israel.

 

[Burninglight]

This a perfect example of not understanding the severity and magnitude of God's coming wrath.

At the opening of the 5th trumpet, a star symbolically representing an angel, will open the Abyss releasing these demonic beings resembling locusts, with tails and stingers like that of a scorpion. They are also described as having faces like human faces, hair like women's hair and teeth like lions teeth. Their king is that angel of the Abyss, who is that beast who comes up out of the Abyss and kills the two witnesses.

So either you haven't read the scripture or you have, but have spiritulized it. You have to understand that the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments are all literal events that are going take place, which is how God is going to carry out his coming wrath.




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They have stingers like scorpions, but they are not flying scorpions is all I said, I had mentioned there will be "creatures that sting wicked men" giving great pain for months that is so painful they would wish to be dead. I know the Scripture you're referring to. Again what is the point you're trying to make? This doesn't prove Darby's heresy of pretribulation rapture. I recommend you heed Paul's warning to not be deceived about what you call rapture. 2 Thes. 2 and stop grasping a draws by patronizing me.

 

[KJV1611]

Obviously you are correct. There have been 4 days of the Lord, each representing judgment against a wicked nation, the last one being Israel.

According to the bible there is only one DAY of the Lord and that day is the DAY of the Lord's sacrifice.

Zephaniah 1:7-8 KJV
Hold thy peace at the presence of the Lord God : for the day of the Lord is at hand: for the Lord hath prepared a sacrifice, he hath bid his guests.

[8] And it shall come to pass in the day of the Lord's sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.

 

[Snoozy]

[SUP]16 [/SUP]“then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

Where is Judea my young friend? It was the worst trouble any nation ever endured.

matthew 24 is written to da jews in time of jacob's trouble. so they should flee when they see armies invading jerusalem. most likely these armies will be their neighbors who are hostile or maybe russia iran combination, could be china and eu. they can muster up dat 200 000 000 army thats spoken of in revelation.

 

[KJV1611]

matthew 24 is written to da jews in time of jacob's trouble. so they should flee when they see armies invading jerusalem. most likely these armies will be their neighbors who are hostile or maybe russia iran combination, could be china and eu. they can muster up dat 200 000 000 army thats spoken of in revelation.

Where do you guys come up with this stuff lol... have you read the old testament prophets?

 

[PlainWord]

Zephaniah 1:7-8 KJV
Hold thy peace at the presence of the Lord God : for the day of the Lord is at hand: for the Lord hath prepared a sacrifice, he hath bid his guests.

[8] And it shall come to pass in the day of the Lord's sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.

At the day of the Lord, God has a sacrifice prepared. The Lord's sacrifice was Jesus, if the day of the Lord is future, how do you explain the Lord's sacrifice?

Can I answer?

 

[PlainWord]

matthew 24 is written to da jews in time of jacob's trouble. so they should flee when they see armies invading jerusalem. most likely these armies will be their neighbors who are hostile or maybe russia iran combination, could be china and eu. they can muster up dat 200 000 000 army thats spoken of in revelation.

So, ignore the invasion of Rome just 36 years after Christ said this and look forward to a future invasion thousands of years later? Is this what they teach in your church?

 

[Burninglight]

According to the bible there is only one DAY of the Lord and that day is the DAY of the Lord's sacrifice.

Zephaniah 1:7-8 KJV
Hold thy peace at the presence of the Lord God : for the day of the Lord is at hand: for the Lord hath prepared a sacrifice, he hath bid his guests.

[8] And it shall come to pass in the day of the Lord's sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.

This doesn't say the church will be raptured or absent at that point. It states God will punish those that are clothed in strange apparel not those clothed in the right apparel. We are to put on Christ that is the only right apparel. We are to have on the helmet of salvation, the shield of faith, the sword of the Spirit, the breastplate of righteousness, our loins covered with truth, and our feet with shoes prepared to share Christ.

 

[KJV1611]

Can I answer?

Most certainly you can answer... no AD 70 stuff please lol. Just kidding!

 

[KJV1611]

This doesn't say the church will be raptured or absent at that point. It states God will punish those that are clothed in strange apparel not those clothed in the right apparel. We are to put on Christ that is the only right apparel. We are to have on the helmet of salvation, the shield of faith, the sword of the Spirit, the breastplate of righteousness, our loins covered with truth, and our feet with shoes prepared to share Christ.

Right, but look at the timing. The day of Lord happens when the Lord's sacrifice is made. Jesus is the Lord's sacrifice, it happened at the first coming... That means the day of the Lord took place at the first coming, and it can't be denied unless Jesus is going to be sacrificed AGAIN. Do you see what I'm saying?

 

[PlainWord]

This doesn't say the church will be raptured or absent at that point. It states God will punish those that are clothed in strange apparel not those clothed in the right apparel. We are to put on Christ that is the only right apparel. We are to have on the helmet of salvation, the shield of faith, the sword of the Spirit, the breastplate of righteousness, our loins covered with truth, and our feet with shoes prepared to share Christ.

Wrong apparel. Take a peak at Rev 17:4

As for the sacrifice, perhaps try starting in Zec 11:4??

 

[J7]

What was not fulfilled?

27 [FONT=&quot]For as lightning[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot] that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot] of the Son of Man.
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[/FONT][FONT=&quot]30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d][/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]31 And he will send his angelswith a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
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36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left.41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left. 42“Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.45 “Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46 It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns.47 Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48 But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ 49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51 He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
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[J7]

Unbelievable what im reading here ive been ta many churches and no one anywhere said things like this that Jesus already came or great tribulation is past already? it cant be past because Jesus returns at da end of da tribulation or as the bible calls it the time of jacob's trouble. what churches do u go to this sounds very suspicious and scary. u need to hear some real man of God preach the truth of God's word nto these manmade darby josephus theologians or catholic church fathers who cares about them lets see what the bible teaches.

What country(s) are these churches in?

 

[heartofdavid]

All Prophecy is given by the Holy Spirit, and understood by the Holy Spirit.

19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Oil is symbolic of the Holy Spirit. A virgin is symbolic of somebody who has pure doctrine, i.e. the Bible, the Word of God.

The 5 foolish virgins did not understand prophecy. Therefore they fell asleep instead of being ready for the Lord.

The wise virgins understood prophecy and therefore were ready for Christ when he returned

No not representing " pure doctrine"

Virgin indicted pure and undefiled. A pure woman,not pure beliefs.
Virgin in the parable represents saints.
We are pure by the blood,not doctrine.
Under your definition,none if us make it,because we all have things wrong. Nobody has 100% pure doctrine.

 

[KJV1611]

Wrong apparel. Take a peak at Rev 17:4

As for the sacrifice, perhaps try starting in Zec 11:4??

The Lord's sacrifice is Jesus.

 

[heartofdavid]

They have stingers like scorpions, but they are not flying scorpions is all I said, I had mentioned there will be "creatures that sting wicked men" giving great pain for months that is so painful they would wish to be dead. I know the Scripture you're referring to. Again what is the point you're trying to make? This doesn't prove Darby's heresy of pretribulation rapture. I recommend you heed Paul's warning to not be deceived about what you call rapture. 2 Thes. 2 and stop grasping a draws by patronizing me.

We are not the ones looking for the AC,or promoting a doctrine with zero verses.

Take a look at 1 thes 4. The dead rise first.
Now go to rev 14.
We see a gathering DURING THE GT.

Oooops,you guys now have the living preceding the dead.

You are promoting false made up doctrine.

 

[heartofdavid]

Morning!

Not to mention a third of the earth and trees being burned up, a third of the creatures in the sea killed and a third of the ships destroyed, a third of the rivers and fresh water contaminated so that many people die from drinking it, the sun, moon and stars darkened by a third, the demons out of the Abyss as you mentioned, a third of the inhabitants killed by those four angels and their army of 200 million, the ocean and fresh water turned to literal blood, the sun scorching the inhabitants with intense heat, the gathering of all the nations in the valley of Megiddo and the angel who gathers all of the birds of the air to eat the flesh of all those kings, generals, their armies, and the Lord descending with his called, chosen and faithful followers (the church) out of heaven, just to name a few.

These people have no idea of what would need to take place in order to claim that end-time events have already taken place!

God bless you for contending for the truth.

Well there you go again.

The nerve of you bringing a bible to a Margaret McDonald party.