Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future
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it doesn't say all Israel though, it says "one from a city and two from a family".
It says in the time when there was no ark of the covenant, which allows us
to understand that this is the second temple period.
If you read Ezra and Nehemiah, it is clear that they had to clean up their act
and become fully law observant, which they did.
It says in the time when there was no ark of the covenant, which allows us
to understand that this is the second temple period.
If you read Ezra and Nehemiah, it is clear that they had to clean up their act
and become fully law observant, which they did.
This is not intended in the sense of me (or, someone else) being the teacher - so much as that God is the teacher and that - when we stop trying to be the teacher and allow ourselves to be the student - God can show us the truth concerning the error of our understanding - correct it - and set us on the right path - in the right direction.
I do not say these things for self-glory...
"To God be the glory!"
After all - it is His truth...
I say these things for your edification.
I only want you to understand the truth.
Several of us have told you that we have "been there and done that" (were taught the pre-trib "mantra") - but, subsequently discovered the truth that it was not biblical.
Why will you not swallow your pride and consider the recommendation of our experience?
Why will you not listen to the several warnings given?
Along with prayer for God to open your eyes and help your understanding, we have stated our warnings with brotherly love that you might take down the wall of pride and arrogance and allow truth to walk in and take hold.
Why are you so stiff-necked???
All you want to do is "play your tape" and refuse to discuss the specific detail of certain verses which very clearly define and describe the nature of prophetic events?
It seems that you would rather "ride the tide" of a complex man-manufactured multi-phase interpreted scenario - based on fifth-level-significance detail - than to read and accept the simple straight-forward truth of what the Bible actually states very clearly and plainly.
It is very much like:
Matthew 23:
24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
What you do not yet realize - is that you are the 'blind guides' in this verse - leading many brothers and sisters astray - thinking you "have it all figured out" - when you have nothing "figured out"...
You are in error.
You are in error.
Time is short.
How long will it be before you allow yourself to believe that you just may be wrong and that these warnings just may be worth giving your consideration [to]???
With all of the Christian Love that I can muster...
GaryA
I do not say these things for self-glory...
"To God be the glory!"
After all - it is His truth...
I say these things for your edification.
I only want you to understand the truth.
Several of us have told you that we have "been there and done that" (were taught the pre-trib "mantra") - but, subsequently discovered the truth that it was not biblical.
Why will you not swallow your pride and consider the recommendation of our experience?
Why will you not listen to the several warnings given?
Along with prayer for God to open your eyes and help your understanding, we have stated our warnings with brotherly love that you might take down the wall of pride and arrogance and allow truth to walk in and take hold.
Why are you so stiff-necked???
All you want to do is "play your tape" and refuse to discuss the specific detail of certain verses which very clearly define and describe the nature of prophetic events?
It seems that you would rather "ride the tide" of a complex man-manufactured multi-phase interpreted scenario - based on fifth-level-significance detail - than to read and accept the simple straight-forward truth of what the Bible actually states very clearly and plainly.
It is very much like:
Matthew 23:
24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
What you do not yet realize - is that you are the 'blind guides' in this verse - leading many brothers and sisters astray - thinking you "have it all figured out" - when you have nothing "figured out"...
You are in error.
You are in error.
Time is short.
How long will it be before you allow yourself to believe that you just may be wrong and that these warnings just may be worth giving your consideration [to]???
With all of the Christian Love that I can muster...
GaryA
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I've read it Gary but I will never budge from my understanding that the 70th week is the
7 year war of annihilation of Judea by the Romans, from AD67-73, with the destruction
of the Temple at the mid-point, AD70.
Jesus said in Matthew 23, showing that the first Century Church would suffer intense persecution by apostate Israel:
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
Not only did Jesus prophecy here, and elsewhere, the continued persecution of the prophets after his ascension, he also prophesied that it would be terminated by the judgment of that generation. Not only did he prophecy a judgment, he prophesied that it would be according to a 'metron', that is to say that the judgment had ALREADY been measured out.
So now let us go back to Daniel 9. We see the metron in Daniel, where the 490 years, including the catastrophic final week, (7 years), are here laid out. So now let us examine Gabriel's words, God's pre-ordained judgment.
-- 70 Weeks are required to end the rebellion and complete (and seal) the sins --
What is the rebellion? The rebellion is the Israelite resistance to God that has been going on for 1500 years.
Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
What is the completion of the sins?
3. complete, sum up, with accusative money 2 Kings 22:4 (other conjectures Klo Gr Gi); transgressions Daniel 8:23; sin Daniel 9:24 (Qr; Kt חתם).
It is precisely what Jesus spoke about, the filling up the metron, the measure of sins. Which is why Jesus says in Luke 12
Ye hypocrites...59 I tell thee, thou shalt not depart thence, till thou hast paid the very last mite (lepton-coin of very small value).
7 year war of annihilation of Judea by the Romans, from AD67-73, with the destruction
of the Temple at the mid-point, AD70.
Jesus said in Matthew 23, showing that the first Century Church would suffer intense persecution by apostate Israel:
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
Not only did Jesus prophecy here, and elsewhere, the continued persecution of the prophets after his ascension, he also prophesied that it would be terminated by the judgment of that generation. Not only did he prophecy a judgment, he prophesied that it would be according to a 'metron', that is to say that the judgment had ALREADY been measured out.
So now let us go back to Daniel 9. We see the metron in Daniel, where the 490 years, including the catastrophic final week, (7 years), are here laid out. So now let us examine Gabriel's words, God's pre-ordained judgment.
-- 70 Weeks are required to end the rebellion and complete (and seal) the sins --
What is the rebellion? The rebellion is the Israelite resistance to God that has been going on for 1500 years.
Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
What is the completion of the sins?
3. complete, sum up, with accusative money 2 Kings 22:4 (other conjectures Klo Gr Gi); transgressions Daniel 8:23; sin Daniel 9:24 (Qr; Kt חתם).
It is precisely what Jesus spoke about, the filling up the metron, the measure of sins. Which is why Jesus says in Luke 12
Ye hypocrites...59 I tell thee, thou shalt not depart thence, till thou hast paid the very last mite (lepton-coin of very small value).
Of course I've proven you are wrong. You say that Christ's imminent return (and the ceasless warnings to be vigilant and watchful) has nothing to do with fulfilling prophecy (you just have to be "morally ready".....YOUR WORDS) or the coming Kingdom. I say that it has EVERYTHING to do with fulfilling prophecy and the coming Kingdom. In fact the entire Bible is about the coming Kingdom and its King.
Reread your post above. It has zero references to prophecy or the Kingdom. I need to reiterate that for the board so that you cannot say otherwise in an attempt to backpedal, shuck and jive the way that you commonly do.
Nonsensical posts like yours are the reason why I have a huge swaths of people on ignore.
Reread your post above. It has zero references to prophecy or the Kingdom. I need to reiterate that for the board so that you cannot say otherwise in an attempt to backpedal, shuck and jive the way that you commonly do.
Nonsensical posts like yours are the reason why I have a huge swaths of people on ignore.
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1. Does not matter what Luke says
2. an abomination is an idol or unclean thing which desolates a holy place
3. he said they would SEE it STANDING in the holy place. (Holy of holy’s where the atoning sacrifice is made according to the law)
3. armies surrounding Jerusalem is not the abomination of desolation, to even think this is well I can’t even imagine to depths one must go to
what did Gary say, we need to humble ourselves and remove our pride
2. an abomination is an idol or unclean thing which desolates a holy place
3. he said they would SEE it STANDING in the holy place. (Holy of holy’s where the atoning sacrifice is made according to the law)
3. armies surrounding Jerusalem is not the abomination of desolation, to even think this is well I can’t even imagine to depths one must go to
what did Gary say, we need to humble ourselves and remove our pride
Wrong. What TDW is saying (and saying to perfunctory perfection) is that YES, all three accounts include the 70 A.D. destruction and ALSO, the 70th week/DOTL/SC. HOWEVER Luke 21:12-24 vastly expands upon the 70AD destruction in a way that the others do not and includes a warning to flee!
See and flee from 70 A.D. when Jerusalem is surrounded by armies!
See and a flee when the antichrist sets himself up in the Holy Place declaring himself to be God a.k.a. the abomination of desolation!
Two different circumstances two different events at two different junctures in history......one similar warning see and flee.
Look man, the first time I encountered this teaching (many years ago), I instantaneously understood to be correct and assimilated it as Biblical truth. Instantaneously. It was correct teaching and obviously correct indisputably so.
So what's your problem?
See and flee from 70 A.D. when Jerusalem is surrounded by armies!
See and a flee when the antichrist sets himself up in the Holy Place declaring himself to be God a.k.a. the abomination of desolation!
Two different circumstances two different events at two different junctures in history......one similar warning see and flee.
Look man, the first time I encountered this teaching (many years ago), I instantaneously understood to be correct and assimilated it as Biblical truth. Instantaneously. It was correct teaching and obviously correct indisputably so.
So what's your problem?
