Concerning the gift of tongues
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Speaking in tongues for personal edification is possible for all born again believers. Whereas, God uses those He chooses and are willing to speak a message in tongues in the church setting.
Receiving takes believing:
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance... And those who heard them were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?... Peter answered, this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit UPON ALL FLESH: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
And it shall come to pass, that WHOSOEVER shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved...
Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses...
Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and HEAR... The Holy Ghost having taken up residence in their bodies initiated their speaking in unknown tongues.
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, WHAT SHALL WE DO?
Peter's answer applies to all those living in the NT. The promise of receiving the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues is available to all who willing obey God's command. Those who do, take hold of what Jesus died to provide. Some receive the Holy Ghost before and others after calling on the name of Jesus when water baptized in the name of Jesus. God knows those willing to accept the truth when confronted with the Word. The account of Cornelius and others is a perfect example of this truth. (Acts 15:7-9) God knew they would obey Peter and be water baptized in the name of Jesus. (Acts 10:47-48)
"...Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls." Acts 2:38-42
And least we forget:
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: and it says; without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. (Heb. 11:6) And it is those who hunger and thirst after righteousness that shall be filled. (Matt. 5:6)
Receiving takes believing:
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance... And those who heard them were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?... Peter answered, this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit UPON ALL FLESH: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
And it shall come to pass, that WHOSOEVER shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved...
Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses...
Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and HEAR... The Holy Ghost having taken up residence in their bodies initiated their speaking in unknown tongues.
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, WHAT SHALL WE DO?
Peter's answer applies to all those living in the NT. The promise of receiving the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues is available to all who willing obey God's command. Those who do, take hold of what Jesus died to provide. Some receive the Holy Ghost before and others after calling on the name of Jesus when water baptized in the name of Jesus. God knows those willing to accept the truth when confronted with the Word. The account of Cornelius and others is a perfect example of this truth. (Acts 15:7-9) God knew they would obey Peter and be water baptized in the name of Jesus. (Acts 10:47-48)
"...Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls." Acts 2:38-42
And least we forget:
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: and it says; without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. (Heb. 11:6) And it is those who hunger and thirst after righteousness that shall be filled. (Matt. 5:6)
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FYI, it is Jesus saying that, not you. Your arrogance is very telling. You don't know anyone's walk here, do you? You are just a hateful person.
Jesus also said to those in Matthew 23:
15 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are!
16 “Blind guides! What sorrow awaits you! For you say that it means nothing to swear ‘by God’s Temple,’ but that it is binding to swear ‘by the gold in the Temple.’
17 Blind fools! Which is more important—the gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred?
18 And you say that to swear ‘by the altar’ is not binding, but to swear ‘by the gifts on the altar’ is binding. 19 How blind! For which is more important—the gift on the altar or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20 When you swear ‘by the altar,’ you are swearing by it and by everything on it. 21 And when you swear ‘by the Temple,’ you are swearing by it and by God, who lives in it. 22 And when you swear ‘by heaven,’ you are swearing by the throne of God and by God, who sits on the throne.
23 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things. 24 Blind guides! You strain your water so you won’t accidentally swallow a gnat, but you swallow a camel!
Jesus also said to those in Matthew 23:
15 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are!
16 “Blind guides! What sorrow awaits you! For you say that it means nothing to swear ‘by God’s Temple,’ but that it is binding to swear ‘by the gold in the Temple.’
17 Blind fools! Which is more important—the gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred?
18 And you say that to swear ‘by the altar’ is not binding, but to swear ‘by the gifts on the altar’ is binding. 19 How blind! For which is more important—the gift on the altar or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20 When you swear ‘by the altar,’ you are swearing by it and by everything on it. 21 And when you swear ‘by the Temple,’ you are swearing by it and by God, who lives in it. 22 And when you swear ‘by heaven,’ you are swearing by the throne of God and by God, who sits on the throne.
23 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things. 24 Blind guides! You strain your water so you won’t accidentally swallow a gnat, but you swallow a camel!
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Actually, Jesus said,
"...Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover." Mark 16:15-18
And, Paul does not condemn tongues. He explains different aspects of speaking in tongues; proper circumstances when tongues is beneficial and for whom, etc.
"...Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover." Mark 16:15-18
And, Paul does not condemn tongues. He explains different aspects of speaking in tongues; proper circumstances when tongues is beneficial and for whom, etc.
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Speaking in tongues didn't cause those issues though.
You accuse the Christian Corinthians with the gift of speaking in tongues of having pagan influences, but Paul actually told them:
1 Corinthians 12:3 Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.
God protected them and protects us from ungodly influences:
2 Thessalonians 3:3 But the Lord is faithful. He will establish you and guard you against the evil one.
God even vindicates them against false accusations....like yours!
Isaiah 54:17 No weapon that is fashioned against you shall succeed, and you shall refute every tongue that rises against you in judgment. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord and their vindication from me, declares the Lord.
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There is so many things wrong with your reply, I will have to break it down in order to respond.
1. "Then you cannot be saved."
I must witness a physical supernatural manifestation in order to be saved??? Is this what you meant?
2. "Salvation is a supernatural encounter. Have you experienced salvation?"
Personal claims of salvation are not supernatural , it is esoteric at best. Based on speculation and holds no weight here.
Do you have a glowing halo over your head as proof of your salvation or are you simply presuming?
3. "Have you become a new creation in Christ?"
Again, this is esoteric or based on presumption. What kind of argument are you attempting to present?
4. "I am not saying you are not saved, however you really do not know what you are talking about."
Meaningless.
5. "BTW, it would seem that physical supernatural manifestations is somewhat contradict"
What part of these three words contradict? Was not the miracles of Jesus physical supernatural manifestations? Are not the "tongues" that you profess physical supernatural manifestations of the Holy Spirit?
Your theology presumes much.
1. "Then you cannot be saved."
I must witness a physical supernatural manifestation in order to be saved??? Is this what you meant?
2. "Salvation is a supernatural encounter. Have you experienced salvation?"
Personal claims of salvation are not supernatural , it is esoteric at best. Based on speculation and holds no weight here.
Do you have a glowing halo over your head as proof of your salvation or are you simply presuming?
3. "Have you become a new creation in Christ?"
Again, this is esoteric or based on presumption. What kind of argument are you attempting to present?
4. "I am not saying you are not saved, however you really do not know what you are talking about."
Meaningless.
5. "BTW, it would seem that physical supernatural manifestations is somewhat contradict"
What part of these three words contradict? Was not the miracles of Jesus physical supernatural manifestations? Are not the "tongues" that you profess physical supernatural manifestations of the Holy Spirit?
Your theology presumes much.
Apparently you have no connection with the spiritual. If a person accepts Christ and it is a real conversion, they automatically become a member of God's family and a part of the spiritual realm. Salvation is a spiritual experience.
To you perhaps...
It appears you may have some kind of disconnect
To you perhaps...
It appears you may have some kind of disconnect
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This is from your earlier post:
"I agree with you that the subject matter is irrelevant but the reasoning seems to be spot on."
Your own assessment of your reasoning is irrelevant. In fact, your reasoning is faulty. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, no matter how much you want to believe otherwise.
"I agree with you that the subject matter is irrelevant but the reasoning seems to be spot on."
Your own assessment of your reasoning is irrelevant. In fact, your reasoning is faulty. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, no matter how much you want to believe otherwise.
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Such claims are merely that, and such testimony may actually serve to discourage those
who think they also should "know" Jesus face to face or walk with him by proof rather than by faith.
Rather than going gaga over glossalalia, Paul indicated that we should seek the more excellent way of love and witnessing with words.
who think they also should "know" Jesus face to face or walk with him by proof rather than by faith.
Rather than going gaga over glossalalia, Paul indicated that we should seek the more excellent way of love and witnessing with words.
We can do NOTHING without the Spirit. The idea a person does not receive the Holy Spirit at the moment of salvation is not accurate.
Everything a believer does that is divine good, is through the Spirit. If a person is void of the Spirit they can do NOTHING but believe to be saved.
I can get dunked in a tank all day long and for years And it means nothing. But if I know How to walk in the Spirit and be filled with the Spirit......It is a righteous good deed.
Everything a believer does that is divine good, is through the Spirit. If a person is void of the Spirit they can do NOTHING but believe to be saved.
I can get dunked in a tank all day long and for years And it means nothing. But if I know How to walk in the Spirit and be filled with the Spirit......It is a righteous good deed.
I would consider that it would encourage others knowing you can meet him face to face, when he becomes so real to you that you can invite him to your home and he actually comes that is when you truly have a relationship with him and if people understood this reality they would be encouraged to hear such testimony not discouraged
This is a level of closeness we all can have we just have to seek it it's not a hard thing you just need to understand he is a real person not just some God in the sky we pray to he is our best friend and as such will come and ddine with us or sit with us or even pray with us
This is a level of closeness we all can have we just have to seek it it's not a hard thing you just need to understand he is a real person not just some God in the sky we pray to he is our best friend and as such will come and ddine with us or sit with us or even pray with us
We ALL DO have this level of closeness the moment we believe. He proves it to us through His Word to us.
The world needs signs and wonders and extraordinary things.
God Sent us His Word....Not saying it is not extraordinary, but He tells us to take Him at His word.
John 20:29
Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you now believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.”
The world needs signs and wonders and extraordinary things.
God Sent us His Word....Not saying it is not extraordinary, but He tells us to take Him at His word.
John 20:29
Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you now believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.”
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