YOU ARE A LIAR!!!
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Well, you've called Christians lost.
Does this mean you recant your calling Reformed brothers and sisters lost? Or do you operate on a different standard than what you've just preached?
Hi Rightlydivided,
When I see posts which indicate that the discussion is to be "without scripture posting", it causes me concern.
I think to myself why does this person not want to know what is written in the Scriptures.
And as far as the "sin" issue, when we get to the point where our fellowship with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ is more vital to us than enjoying the pleasures of sin for a season, we'll forego the sin ... just my thoughts on the matter
My understanding of the "discuss without scripture" idea, was that (not that Scripture is unimportant to the discussion, but) ascertaining the realness of the scriptures [acted out] in our lives... (that is, in our own words and actions).
We do this all the time in our actual lives offline (meaning, apart from/outside of "Bible Discussion" forums) ... the OP/poster is asking we do this in his thread OP idea/suggestion.
You would have a hard time coming up with any such nonsense. What I have said is that Calvinism is a FALSE GOSPEL. That does not mean that Reformed Christians are not saved. It means that they preach a false Gospel, by limiting the atonement of Christ and saying that God chooses only some for salvation.
Nope, we preach the Gospel. The fact remains God elects to salvation, not man. Personally you just don't like this fact and have embraced Finneyism or decisional regeneration which is proven false in Scripture.
You in fact not only libel in the above nonsense and your rejection of truth as witnessed in Jude 1:4, but you've also stated the Reformed are lost. Several called you on this on cc when you did it and you've never recanted your position.
The fact remains that you, sir, preach a truncated gospel and reject God's plan of electing whom he wills to save based on nothing in them either good or bad. It is sad to witness to be honest, but you have many in your crowd who've rejected this wonderful truth.
Nothing I've stated is false, you in fact did call us all lost but go ahead and get your last word in.
Thank you, I appreciate you laying it out that way, feels more like a bridge now, rather than a wall. Your knowledge of scripture has definitely not gone unnoticed, I was reading some of your other posts, and it is clear that you have been reading/studying, I will do my best to keep myself open also, and take seriously what you say, I’ll consider everything with an open heart... I am definitely not afraid of listening to the words of our Savior, and turning, when he tells me to turn..admittedly, I can be closed off at times, a characteristic that does not mesh well, when praying for understanding. I am happy, that at the end of the day, our common ground is the Cross, and what he did for us.....
So, rather than disagree with you, I would rather set that aside, and talk about how the scripture actually plays out in the church, our homes, and the results we see around us....enter the story, It feels like we have a blanket statement for so many circumstances, without the discernment of the individual we are dealing with.....so without writing a book, I can agree with most of what you said pertaining to the actual scripture....When to apply it, how we apply it (without hypocrisy) wether or not we should(is this the right time, would I make things worse?) and to what ends, ( do we see it working? Or is it pushing them away?) is the subject that I’m excitied about.
Firstly, if you read the post with an open heart, and not the same Nehem that I’ve spoken to before, you would have been able to read between the lines....I started a thread, based on hypocrisy that I have been seeing with my own eyes, some of which I have been guilty of in the past...I have no fear of God for saying what I did, however, I would fear his wrath, if I wasn’t fully persuaded in what he did, why he did it, and the humbling reality, that he did it for me, through Grace...So you can call me what you will, but his Grace, is sufficient for me...
… especially because you described the person (in your story/example) as a "new member" (I think you did)… like, how well do you know this "new member" and they know you... [etc]
Hi Rightlydivided,
When I see posts which indicate that the discussion is to be "without scripture posting", it causes me concern.
I think to myself why does this person not want to know what is written in the Scriptures.
And as far as the "sin" issue, when we get to the point where our fellowship with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ is more vital to us than enjoying the pleasures of sin for a season, we'll forego the sin ... just my thoughts on the matter
Hi reneweddaybyday, I believe there is a time that should be set aside on occasion, that we speak to each other, from the heart, and anchored in what we have been learning through scripture......I do not believe, that you quote scripture, with everyone close to you, all day, every day right? No one is setting aside scripture, for if it is in your heart, it will show, as you convert the scripture to your everyday words, persona, empathy towards others, and willingness to reach out
Alright? No scripture! Everyone knows there's no "SANITY CLAUSE!"
Lol, well when all else fails....everybody put down the Bible’s for just a min and get ahold of yourselves!
When I do go to church I go on Saturday morning and not Sunday morning. I'll save a spot for you.
What exactly is the message of the Finished work of the cross? Personally, I prefer the message of Jesus coming off the cross and being resurrected 3 days later.
How many churches have you actually been in that teach 'watered down grace'? You seem to be painting the picture with a broad brush.
Is this a good thing or a bad thing? That hyper-dispy thread reference was amusing. That antinomianism sounds like a vaccine for pneumonia.
@Rightlydivided
Deuteronomy 6:
5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
9 And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.
And I realize these verses are in the "Old Testament". But they are just as true today as the day they were written.
I also believe that if we did speak God's Word when we sit in our houses, when we are out walking in our neighborhoods, cities, workplaces, etc., we might just see change for the better. Do you know of anyone who would not benefit from hearing God's Word? I sure don't.
And please understand, I don't disagree with you. We should be living our lives in light of who we are in Christ Jesus ... showing His love for mankind in our actions. I was just scratching my head over your statement about having discussion "without posting scriptures".
I think it's a shame we don't quote scripture in our conversations. I love it when people speak to me using God's Word. In fact, we are instructed to do just that:Rightlydivided said:
Deuteronomy 6:
5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
9 And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.
And I realize these verses are in the "Old Testament". But they are just as true today as the day they were written.
I also believe that if we did speak God's Word when we sit in our houses, when we are out walking in our neighborhoods, cities, workplaces, etc., we might just see change for the better. Do you know of anyone who would not benefit from hearing God's Word? I sure don't.
I think God would love to see His children saying things that are written in Scripture. I know children say things they hear their parents say. Those who are born again are God's children. I think it would tickle God's Heart to hear us say things He says in His Word (jmho).Rightlydivided said:No one is setting aside scripture, for if it is in your heart, it will show, as you convert the scripture to your everyday words, persona, empathy towards others, and willingness to reach out
And please understand, I don't disagree with you. We should be living our lives in light of who we are in Christ Jesus ... showing His love for mankind in our actions. I was just scratching my head over your statement about having discussion "without posting scriptures".
In previous discussions, before this, there was a lot of scripture, referring to doctrine, sometimes it gets heated, and I simply wanted a conversation about issues involving our families etc....without disagreeing on doctrine and starting something that ends with walls of scripture.....I like scripture, but I also like to see how it manifests itself in our normal conversation....that’s all
I think this may have been the point being made in the OP (note that he included himself in the "accusations" that we are all guilty of, at times, when not walking in the Spirit...)
I'm thinking perhaps you may have misunderstood the point of the OP. Not sure.
Thank you Divine
My understanding of the "discuss without scripture" idea, was that (not that Scripture is unimportant to the discussion, but) ascertaining the realness of the scriptures [acted out] in our lives... (that is, in our own words and actions).
We do this all the time in our actual lives offline (meaning, apart from/outside of "Bible Discussion" forums) ... the OP/poster is asking we do this in his thread OP idea/suggestion.
Yes Divine, that is exactly what I was going for....never seem to get it out right