I like to think I'm a better person than I was b 4 I was baptized , yes . But I still sin in some way or another , all sin is is doing something that God doesn't want u to do .
What about the homosexuals ?
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It is, I my self am under construction.
Not casting any stones.
JESUS takes us how we are, if we don't REPENT and start dropping off our sins after we have been roborn, are we really reborn or CHRIST like?
Think about the fig tree.
Luke 13:6-9
King James Version
6 He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none.
7 Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground?
8 And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it:
9 And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.
However,
Where homosexuality is a sin it is not an independent sin....
Where yes, you commit one sin you are guilty of them all....
But Homosexuality is different. Very very different.
It is form of a natural curse because of sin.
What the curse of Homosexuality means is that the universe wants you to never procreate...your genetic material will never be included into any more humans. It believes you are such an error of biology and lack of knowledge of God you are a half step away from instant destruction.
To every person there exists a measure of grace given to all mankind. This grace has been in existence since Adam and Eve were exiled from the Garden.
This does not mean that mankind is incapable of exceeding that measure of grace with wickedness and worldly lusts. Meaning this system of nature is something God created for a REASON.
So....where some people experiment with Homosexuality due to their immediate community promoting it as something wonderful they have no natural attraction or interest. These may have a chance at salvation.
For people over a certain age and for a lot of evangelical Christians,
"Gay' and 'homosexual' mean people who perform homosexual acts.
But be that as it may, it is not helpful for someone's think to think of himself as 'gay' or 'homosexual.' People shouldn't think of themselves as 'gay Christians' any more than someone who has anger issues should call himself, "could punch you in the face at any minute Christian" or a man who has to overcome temptation to look with lust or sleep with women should call himself "could fornicate at any minute Christian' or 'could sleep with your wife Christian'.
We also don't have to buy the LGBT propaganda that teaches that these sexual desires are engrained 'born that way' states that are a part of the person's identity.
Paul said of various sins, including men who had sex with men, "And such WERE some of you, but now ye are washed. Now ye are sanctified. Now ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God." (Emphasis mine.
If I have any political say-so with a vote or other influence, I want to use that in favor of righteousness. If atheists want to legalize killing babies, I would use my political influence in the opposite direction. If they want child molestation to be legal, I want it to be illegal. If they want homosexual so-called 'marriage', I oppose it. I don't think any atheist is going to go to Hell over that.
They don't have to fake faith to not do gay stuff.
Here Ya GoA face palm, a face palm..
My kingdom for a face palm..
good points been awhile since I read romans 1, but if I recall the primary thing was even though they had known the path of god, they were essentially making zero effort to follow. Another thing I recall reading back in proverbs about sexual sins in general is that is a more of trap then other sins that no one(generally at least) can escape from.
Yeah...
Prostitute/harlot imagery figures prominently in Proverbs for getting involved with "loose women". As well as death, grave, snare, pit, viper. And a good wife is one of the best assets a man can ever have.
Kinda odd coming from a man with over 300 wives and over 600 concubines. (Solomon)
You are under a curse if you are gay. But you can get free from it.
Romans 1:18-32
{1:18} For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven
against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who
hold the truth in unrighteousness; {1:19} Because that
which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God
hath shewed [it] unto them. {1:20} For the invisible things
of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being
understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal
power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: {1:21}
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not
as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their
imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. {1:22}
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
{1:23} And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into
an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and
fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
{1:24} Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness
through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own
bodies between themselves: {1:25} Who changed the truth
of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature
more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
{1:26} For this cause God gave them up unto vile
affections: for even their women did change the natural use
into that which is against nature: {1:27} And likewise also
the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in
their lust one toward another; men with men working that
which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that
recompence of their error which was meet. {1:28} And
even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge,
God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things
which are not convenient; {1:29} Being filled with all
unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness,
maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit,
malignity; whisperers, {1:30} Backbiters, haters of God,
despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things,
disobedient to parents, {1:31} Without understanding,
covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable,
unmerciful: {1:32} Who knowing the judgment of God, that
they which commit such things are worthy of death, not
only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them"
Romans 1:18-32
{1:18} For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven
against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who
hold the truth in unrighteousness; {1:19} Because that
which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God
hath shewed [it] unto them. {1:20} For the invisible things
of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being
understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal
power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: {1:21}
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not
as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their
imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. {1:22}
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
{1:23} And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into
an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and
fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
{1:24} Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness
through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own
bodies between themselves: {1:25} Who changed the truth
of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature
more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
{1:26} For this cause God gave them up unto vile
affections: for even their women did change the natural use
into that which is against nature: {1:27} And likewise also
the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in
their lust one toward another; men with men working that
which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that
recompence of their error which was meet. {1:28} And
even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge,
God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things
which are not convenient; {1:29} Being filled with all
unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness,
maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit,
malignity; whisperers, {1:30} Backbiters, haters of God,
despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things,
disobedient to parents, {1:31} Without understanding,
covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable,
unmerciful: {1:32} Who knowing the judgment of God, that
they which commit such things are worthy of death, not
only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them"
Discussions among christians are often related to if homsexuality is a sin or not a sin (and sometimes; if it's considered a sin - how serious this sin is.
Concerning the above quotation, someone said it as well: although Christians disagree on many points of doctrine, there are some non-debatable and universally agreed views: homosexuality is condemned in the Bible. Accept it or not, that is your choice. This is not my view, but that of God's.
What governments do to codify its "legality" is for governments to decide. The Christian avoids/abhors such behavior. I have some friends who were practicing homosexuals in the past, but now they are Christians and they decide to become celibate until the "End," whatever that looks like (i.e. the end of their earthly life or Armageddon). They enjoy privileges in our church and they are close friends. Just do NOT practice homosexual acts, even if one has a "natural" inclination toward such a life-style.
Concerning the above quotation, someone said it as well: although Christians disagree on many points of doctrine, there are some non-debatable and universally agreed views: homosexuality is condemned in the Bible. Accept it or not, that is your choice. This is not my view, but that of God's.
What governments do to codify its "legality" is for governments to decide. The Christian avoids/abhors such behavior. I have some friends who were practicing homosexuals in the past, but now they are Christians and they decide to become celibate until the "End," whatever that looks like (i.e. the end of their earthly life or Armageddon). They enjoy privileges in our church and they are close friends. Just do NOT practice homosexual acts, even if one has a "natural" inclination toward such a life-style.
I would say perhaps. But honesty it takes a man and a woman to fully support a child. Two men and two women cannot completely do this. The child needs a man and woman point of view.
That is the problem, why so many different denominations and only ONE GOD?
Men get involved and don't like what HIS word says so they start their own denomination and leave out what they don't like.
For instance, the man-made sinners prayer used in how many different churches today, being baptized in for show. Paul preached a different message, save by grace or faith alone and we don't need to do nothing. The list goes on.
So people who follow those pastor think they are born again Christians but they are just following the pastor not JESUS and HIS rule book.
I was there once.
How to be reborn, the first message.
Acts 2:38-39
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off,
even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
After they obeyed Peter THREE THOUSAND SOULS WERE ADDED.
So it's the propose of being baptized in clear, SO SO many people don't like that part and this is what happens when your filled with the Holy Ghost.
Peter says it in Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
JESUS says it in Mark 16:16-17
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Acts 2:4
King James Version
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
God's word clearly states in Lev 20:13 "If a man also lie with mankind as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death." Understand that like murder, rape and adultery, this sin is an abomination before God and requires a death sentence to put the evil away from among us. Others will see and fear and will not commit such evil among you Deut 19:19-21. Unfortunately mankind doesn't follow God's word and allows evil and perversion to flourish among us even setting free those that rape and commit murders to do it again. There are several scriptures in God's word dealing with homosexuality that include Rom 1:26-27, 2 Pet 2:6, Jude 7 and I Cor 6:9. It is up to each individual to decide whether to follow the words of God or the ways of the world. Although homosexuality is not the unforgivable sin, it is serious enough for God to order a death sentence.
The studies I've personally found, I can not say aren't skewed. It seems that I can not trust any side, given how politically charged the topic/s are regarding comparison between Homosexual raised children and Heterosexual raised children.
Many people even quoting their own organization/s as their source! how biased.... I can not see validity in that.
Despite having a confusing amount of obviously biased opinions/studies on both sides, I can weigh some things from what I have seen in society. Weigh these kindly and honestly please. Also note in not especially educated.
Should we allow homosexuals to marry ?
No, I do not believe we should by Biblical standards. Marriage is between one man, and one woman for the purpose of procreation and unity. Our Job as a Married couple is to model the relationship between Christ and the Church. Two same sex people, can not model this relationship. Governmentally, Marriage is just a legal agreement for tax/legal reasons. Governmentally in most cases, marriage can happen between two adults consensually and there be no problems. This cheapens the idea of marriage. What about faithfulness and self control? sacrifice? love without merit? unending loyalty and true union? These things matter. What is marriage without true commitment? our soul longs for more. I do not believe Gay people to be the most faithful to any of their partner/s, whether in a open relationship or not. What values do we want to encourage in this society? unfaithfulness, recklessness, self impulsiveness, adultery, pride, sexual fluidity? these things break up the marriage, and create reckless relationships. It is unfortunate. Biblically I stand up and say no, without the Bible in mind, I do not think it is good for our society either way.
- Should we allow them to adopt children ?
No, I do not believe we should. Through nature we can observe that families have a male and female partnership, I believe that this is very crucial for development as men and women are very different. A woman can not tutor a boy into the ways of being a man, neither can a man teach a girl these things about womanhood. Not only that, men tend to be more logical, goal focused and rational. Less sensitive. Woman tend to be more emotional, more sensitive and social, more nurturing. Gay people tend to act opposite to their biological sex, I think having two of the same sex raise a child, whether lesbian or gay can not teach the children good identifying roles about their biological gender. Not only this, if we take what we see with unfaithfulness and many partners within Gay relationships, that is a very unstable upbringing of a child, who is very impressionable and will grow up to believe that many varieties of partners is okay. Which we know is not good for anyone. Think Aids, for the homosexual community, and even for straight people, abortions. I have also heard it rumored that Same sex lead families are more prone to sexual misconduct within the family, children often being abused as a higher risk. Some sources say otherwise. It is hard to know. From what we can see however, the LGBTQ community is indoctrinating children quite early, and teaching them sexual things they ought not to know/see yet. Pride month highly immodest(I have seen nudity within the crowds/people making out), and unfortunately parents of all kinds take their kids to see. This should not be.
- Is it bad for children raised in such family constellations ?
I believe it is for everything I've said so far. Weigh what I say, take some or leave some. It is hard to prove that it is wrong in a secular society because without God we are held to no objective moral standing outside of our own wants and desires. With God in mind, biblically I can prove why I believe it's bad, however that's not helpful for someone who may want a more objective view. The studies I've seen are largely bias and i can not prove anything. I can only go off of what I believe personally.
Also my grammar and stuff is bad.. forgive me for this please as I try but i do not have the patience to read over and correct forever.
God bless you my friend.
If Christ Jesus is unable to free us from besetting sins then the Christian walk is an impotent one.
Other than people a certain age, and outside of the 'Evangelical cultural bubble' 'homosexual', 'gay' and 'lesbian' refer to those who are same-sex attracted, not just to do those doing homosexual acts.
If a man is attracted to men, should he be legally allowed to marry? I think so. To be fair, he __should__ tell the woman he marries that he's got this issue. Same for women with same-sex attraction. Women should be allowed to marry.
Now in the past, the state has punished those who do homosexual acts. The British imprisoned Oscar Wilde. The Old Testament instructed that men who performed such acts be put to death. That's another issue, as far as outlawing marriage for _practitioners._
If the bride's father agrees, and if one of them is a believer, the other should be, too, and if neither of them are bound by marriage or promise to marry (by the bride's father), to another, and they aren't related in a Biblically forbidden category... I can' think of any other reasons except maybe a vow or special divine instruction not to or some other parental objection to it... but otherwise, they should be legally allowed to marry.
One of the problems with the propaganda from about 11 or 12 years ago was that they called the issue 'marriage equality' when there was no marriage equality issue. Same-sex attracted men could marry just as freely (if they could find a partner) as normal men. It was the same with same-sex-attracted women. A man who felt 'gay' could marry a woman just like a straight man could, as long as it was legal, it was legal.
They didn't want marriage equality. They wanted to redefine marriage. And it doesn't matter what the Supreme Court says. Two men cannot get married any more than a human can marry a goat. It's not marriage. It's perversion with the wrong label on it.
The Biblical teachings on homosexuality apply only to those of us who accept the Bible. It's no more acceptable in a free country for Christians to consider them binding on unbelievers than for Muslims to consider prohibitions on pork or gambling binding on Christians.
There are many things that converted Christians must abjure in order to walk with the Lord in good conscience. For some of those people it may be homosexual desires, or it may be illicit heterosexual desires. That's a matter of individual conscience and I don't give free advice on other people's lives until I'm directly asked.
As far as the questions: the people of the state or the country make decisions on what is allowed, not only Christians. I see no reason why homosexuals cannot marry and raised children. As far as it being bad for children--well, if you think it is a sin, you can make a case that it is bad for them. But we'll have our hands full if we decide that no gluttons, jealous people, smokers, drinkers or practitioners of some other sin can raise children. There is no basis for singling that one out.
I kindly ask for you to consider these scripture/s,
1Corinthians 5:11
1Corinthians 6:9-11
1Corinthians 6:16-20
As someone who is a Christian, sins actively against God whether or nor their conscious permits them to act in homosexuality. This is a very bad sin, one we are told to repent of, much like all sin. Sexual sin of all kinds however, do worse to the body. They are highlighted in a way, as worse sins.
I can say confidently that we are asked to not fellowship with certain Christians who regularly display a lack of repentance in certain ways.
And if I may add, I think that its okay to highlight the sins in others lives, who are Christian. I believe it would be the loving thing to do, if done kindly with humility amd gentleness. God calls us to live a life of repentance, and its disobedient to choose to live a life of Sin
Now we all sin, yes. But we should all make a effort to please God as well, repenting, trying to lean on God for progression, and trying to to live holy lives for our God.
If we do not desire to, it shows a lack of understanding, or faith. Which can be for concern.
I humbly ask that you consider these things, and if I am wrong, please correct me