What about the homosexuals ?

[resto]

Are you passed the culture shock phase now after 2 years leaving USA or you still in the culture shock phase?
I can see that you have changed a lot since the last time you were here.

Culture shock or Ethnocentrism? What I noticed is that I was a Brain Washed American. Americans are taught that they Know better than "Those Poor Savages". It took a year to realize this and rid myself of it. Then I let God work in me. I see things very different now. Its hard to explain. When it comes to Culture Shock I dont think I experienced it. I was already close to Asian People and Culture. I had more Asian Friends in the US than any other group and felt more comfortable with Asian Cultures than Western Culture. I also dated more Asian Ladies than Americans and they remain close friends today, except for the Philippina's, they were Mean(dont know why). I think being in The Marines fostered my closeness to Asian Culture as they are prominent in the Pacific Theatre of Operations.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

What is a "born again christian" - and are there christians that are not "born again" ? What is the definition of "born again" ?

Go back and listen to the short video. It will explain what it means to be born again.

Jesus said to a religious man who was considered a leader of the primary Jewish denomination, "You must be born again. "
A person cannot see Heaven without receiving the gift Jesus paid for and offers to us at times like these.

 

[blueluna5]

There are a lot of opinions about homosexuality. Among christians, there is a diversity of opinions on these matters.

We have liberal christians, and we have conservative christians. Discussions among christians are often related to if homsexuality is a sin or not a sin (and sometimes; if it's considered a sin - how serious this sin is....) However, there are some questions a state or a nation have to answer and act to accordingly:

- Should we allow homosexuals to marry ?
- Should we allow them to adopt children ?
- Is it bad for children raised in such family constellations ?

So what do you think about these questions ?

Marry- no. Churches are then forced to marry homosexuals. I know churches that won't even marry a man and woman living together, but will for gay couples. So corrupt.

Adopt children- no. It's a sexual disorder and they are more likely to have been molested and are more likely to molest.

It is sad bc obviously they can't have kids on their own typically, but again it's not about them. It's about the kids. Kids need a dad and mom. That's the ideal family situation. 2 dads are not the same. That's bc men and women don't even think the same. There is always a feminine man, but he's still a man. They are not motherly enough.

It's the same idea with transgenders. A man who thinks he is a woman thinks like a man.
This leads me into another issue.

The whole if you give an inch they want a mile. So it's gay adoption now, then transgender adoption, then attracted to little person adoption. At what point are we saying enough is enough bc I'm already there.

They even say "a pedophile is not a child molester" but why are we playing this game?? I mean does anyone even ask that.

I thought the reason for pro choice is so there's not so many unwanted children. The same thing for gays adopting. But we have more orphans then ever and all of these corrupt policies doesn't seem to be creating the family unit.

My other issue with allowing it is that you can't discriminate. So let's say there's relatively "normal" homosexuals adopting, but then you have over the top rainbows in every room and constantly talking about their sexuality adopting. You lose your better judgement bc you're not allowed to say no essentially.

The Zulocks were a gay couple who adopted little boys and raped them. They obviously had issues... they went through a Christian adoption agency. Wth is happening in our society? Have Christians been so sheltered that they've never been burned and are completely naive?

 

[Lynx]

Im going for some popcorn, there is blood In The Water. This should be entertaining.

It would be more entertaining if he was better at sophistry. He keeps swinging but he's not using any of the GOOD arguments.

 

[Lynx]

No non-christians allowed in this site?

We have some atheists and agnostics around here. They're cool. They don't try to start arguments just for kicks, like SOME people.

Do you also go to Mexican restaurants and complain loudly about illegal immigrants? Do you go to football games and sit in the stands talking about what a dumb game football is?

That's pretty much what you are doing here.

 

[shittim]

Interesting that you answer "No" to Is it bad for children raised in such family constellations ?

But nevertheless, you have not given any kind of arguments, just wrote "NO NO NO". That's a no-brainer. I am sure you have more brain capacity than that - and this is a compliment to you - so what are your arguments?

Keep in mind you are not a Christian and he is.

 

[presidente]

There are a lot of opinions about homosexuality. Among christians, there is a diversity of opinions on these matters.

We have liberal christians, and we have conservative christians. Discussions among christians are often related to if homsexuality is a sin or not a sin (and sometimes; if it's considered a sin - how serious this sin is....) However, there are some questions a state or a nation have to answer and act to accordingly:

- Should we allow homosexuals to marry ?
- Should we allow them to adopt children ?
- Is it bad for children raised in such family constellations ?

So what do you think about these questions ?

These have only been questions among church people that have arisen in recent decades because of conformity to the world. And just as recently as the 1980s or 1990s, the average person on the street considered same-sex sexual behavior to be immoral, odd, gross, undesirable. The gay lobby got ahold of media and brainwashed the masses.

First, 'homosexual' as academics and those who are into it use it has to do with 'orientation' or the inclinations people have. They use terms like that and 'gay' and 'lesbian' as if it refers to innage properties, like saying some little kid who has never had sex might be 'gay'--- which is pretty messed up if you think about it. Before the LGBT movement got politically strong, psychological literature typically explained male homosexuality as the result of a boy not bonding or getting approval from a father figure and eroticizing male attention or masculinity or something along those lines. I'd imagine a lot of them have been molested, but some victims like members of the opposite sex as well.

But the __actions__ are sinful. A man lying with a man as one does with a woman was punishable by death in the Old Testament.

A Christian should not accept the identity of a 'gay Christian' any more than one should accept the identity of 'fornicator Christian' because he is attracted to the opposite sex. Sin is not our identity. We are to reckon ourselves dead indeed unto sin but alive unto God, like Paul wrote in Romans 6.

And we should not endorse or encourage wickedness from society or government, like condoning such concepts as homosexual 'marriage.' Friendship with the world is enmity with God. We shouldn't wish for them to adopt children or for children to be raised around sexual perversion or perverted relationships. Of course not.

The Bible speaks of people who call good evil and evil good. Many people in our society think it is evil and discriminatory to think this type of sexual immorality is evil.

 

[Suze]

There are a lot of opinions about homosexuality. Among christians, there is a diversity of opinions on these matters.

We have liberal christians, and we have conservative christians. Discussions among christians are often related to if homsexuality is a sin or not a sin (and sometimes; if it's considered a sin - how serious this sin is....) However, there are some questions a state or a nation have to answer and act to accordingly:

- Should we allow homosexuals to marry ?
- Should we allow them to adopt children ?
- Is it bad for children raised in such family constellations ?

So what do you think about these questions ?

U cannot b an active homosexual and b a Christian , it's as simple as that . I have known celibate homosexual Christians , they abstain from sexual relationships because they r Christians and they understand and accept that their desires r totally incomparable with Christianity . As for those who r not Christians , they can and do , do what they want in this life as they r a law into themselves and they don't answer to anyone other than their own desires . At this time , it is not our place to judge them .
So , what does one do , as a Christian , when a beloved family member , although an atheist , someone that u have known and loved for a very long time , a genuinely nice person , suddenly starts a same sex relationship ? Do we stop loving them ? I'm not asking , should I warn them their behaviour is wrong in God's eyes , they r atheist so that's not gonna make a difference to them . I'm asking , what do u do , as a Christian , when a dear , kind , family member , who u love very much , starts a same sex relationship ? How do u handle it , how do balance your love for them and your sorrow at their choice ? I cannot stop loving someone just like that , it's not a switch that I can just turn off . All I can do is wait in hope , that it might b a passing phase . Where there is life there is always hope . Hope that they will turn away from this lifestyle . Hope that eventually , they will c the Light. I can't cut them off because maybe , just maybe , I will help them to c that light , I can't do that if I cut them off can I ?
As Christians we r to admonish each other and help each other to stay on track , when dealing with atheist it's a whole different ball game , we don't want to push them away , we want to help to bring them into the Truth and that can b a very long process , requiring patience and commitment .

 

[JohnDB]

The Book of Romans, Chapters 1&2 explain very clearly that homosexuality and other sexual perversions in accordance with homosexuality are a natural curse stemming from the natural order of this world.

Meaning....they are to die out. Zero reproduction.

Most people, not under this curse, have a natural aversion to homosexuality. Hard wiring to like the opposite sex and not the same one. But Romans makes it clear that due to the huge amounts of sin that have been "normalized" that this sin is the result of such an environment.

Paul then goes on to say and describe how lost these people were. Peter also comments on their lack of loyalty to anything other than their sin. (A dog returns to its vomit)

Strong words from Peter....basically declaring that they will never be truly faithful to Christ... ever. Peter definitely had the authority to bind or loose (declaring what is sin and what is not) ...and he made it clear the how and why homosexuality (the same as Paul did) is very much sin revealed to the whole world.

There exists an identity within homosexuals that precludes the identity in Christ. They are polar opposites....can't go together no matter what.

No such thing as Atheist Christians. Which is what you are trying to say that a homosexual Christian is. division by zero.

That's the truth.
You wish to persevere in division by zero?
Have fun. But don't expect the Christian world to embrace it.

And these adopted children of homosexuals....dont....just stop. It's horrifying and heartbreaking what happens to these children. The adoption agencies know it too but keep the studies secret.

 

[RodB651]

We have some atheists and agnostics around here. They're cool. They don't try to start arguments just for kicks, like SOME people.

Do you also go to Mexican restaurants and complain loudly about illegal immigrants? Do you go to football games and sit in the stands talking about what a dumb game football is?

That's pretty much what you are doing here.

A face palm, a face palm..
My kingdom for a face palm..

 

[DamagedSoul]

These have only been questions among church people that have arisen in recent decades because of conformity to the world. And just as recently as the 1980s or 1990s, the average person on the street considered same-sex sexual behavior to be immoral, odd, gross, undesirable. The gay lobby got ahold of media and brainwashed the masses.

First, 'homosexual' as academics and those who are into it use it has to do with 'orientation' or the inclinations people have. They use terms like that and 'gay' and 'lesbian' as if it refers to innage properties, like saying some little kid who has never had sex might be 'gay'--- which is pretty messed up if you think about it. Before the LGBT movement got politically strong, psychological literature typically explained male homosexuality as the result of a boy not bonding or getting approval from a father figure and eroticizing male attention or masculinity or something along those lines. I'd imagine a lot of them have been molested, but some victims like members of the opposite sex as well.

But the __actions__ are sinful. A man lying with a man as one does with a woman was punishable by death in the Old Testament.

A Christian should not accept the identity of a 'gay Christian' any more than one should accept the identity of 'fornicator Christian' because he is attracted to the opposite sex. Sin is not our identity. We are to reckon ourselves dead indeed unto sin but alive unto God, like Paul wrote in Romans 6.

And we should not endorse or encourage wickedness from society or government, like condoning such concepts as homosexual 'marriage.' Friendship with the world is enmity with God. We shouldn't wish for them to adopt children or for children to be raised around sexual perversion or perverted relationships. Of course not.

The Bible speaks of people who call good evil and evil good. Many people in our society think it is evil and discriminatory to think this type of sexual immorality is evil.

I agree with you on the basics, homosexual acts, just like any sexual acts outside of the sanctity of marriage are sinnful and I do not support same-sex marriage.

People have no control over attraction itself, only how they deal with it. A gay Christian in this sense is a Christian, that carries with him a lifelong battle with temptation in order to avoid a specific sin and in this sense, it can be a Christian identity.

What I take issue with are attempts to mix up the worldly with the Godly through means of legislation. By trying to regulate the lives of atheists and people of other faiths we only drive them further away from God and worst case forcing them to fake faith which would be blasphemous. Instead we need to create counter culture, be the messengers so that others can find God. We won't archieve this through unloving comments, through legislation or by any kind of force. We should never endorse sin, but the way we reject it in other people matters. I very much agree with what Suze wrote.

 

[Ouch]

There are a lot of opinions about homosexuality. Among christians, there is a diversity of opinions on these matters.

We have liberal christians, and we have conservative christians. Discussions among christians are often related to if homsexuality is a sin or not a sin (and sometimes; if it's considered a sin - how serious this sin is....) However, there are some questions a state or a nation have to answer and act to accordingly:

- Should we allow homosexuals to marry ?
- Should we allow them to adopt children ?
- Is it bad for children raised in such family constellations ?

So what do you think about these questions ?

Are there liberal Christians? Or do they think they are Christians.

If so called churchs back them, they may feel good about their walk with GOD.

Being a Christain is being Chirst like, how can a man sleeping with anther man be Chirst like? Or women with women?

How can someone vote blue supporting murdering babies be Christ like?

ONLY THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN REBORN WILL ENTER HEAVEN.

We don't have a say if they should marry, HIS word says NO they should not even being living in sin (as we should not be either, not casting any stones) let alone getting married which is a GOD thing anyway.

I don't think the out come of them adopting children would be a good idea at all, but I will leave that up to GOD.

I sure don't think so, I think it would be 100% failure but again leave that up to GOD.

GOD has the abilty to protect, who knows, maybe if a child was raised up in that invorment and could lead his parents to JESUS? NO IDEA?

I don't put GOD in a box, HE can work what we call miracles.

 

[Ouch]

You’re right about the 3rd part it was a mistake and NO I won’t explain this to a Tier 1 carbon tax payer.

This is why Trump won because you leftists have no intelligence anymore.

That is a question I ask, why did TRUMP WIN SO BIG?

Was it because he was so good his first term?

Or bid-lien so bad?

I think both LOL.

 

[Ouch]

I agree with you on the basics, homosexual acts, just like any sexual acts outside of the sanctity of marriage are sinnful and I do not support same-sex marriage.

People have no control over attraction itself, only how they deal with it. A gay Christian in this sense is a Christian, that carries with him a lifelong battle with temptation in order to avoid a specific sin and in this sense, it can be a Christian identity.

What I take issue with are attempts to mix up the worldly with the Godly through means of legislation. By trying to regulate the lives of atheists and people of other faiths we only drive them further away from God and worst case forcing them to fake faith which would be blasphemous. Instead we need to create counter culture, be the messengers so that others can find God. We won't archieve this through unloving comments, through legislation or by any kind of force. We should never endorse sin, but the way we reject it in other people matters. I very much agree with what Suze wrote.

How can you be a gay Christian?

 

[DamagedSoul]

How can you be a gay Christian?

I explained my thoughts on this in my post. Gay is not an act, its a desire that can lead to sin if its not reflected upon and therefore avoided. Being a gay Christian means fighting your whole life against the bodily inclination to sin.

 

[Lynx]

I explained my thoughts on this in my post. Gay is not an act, its a desire that can lead to sin if its not reflected upon and therefore avoided. Being a gay Christian means fighting your whole life against the bodily inclination to sin.

Interesting take.

I'm reminded of Alcoholics Anonymous. They tell alcoholics they are always alcoholics, but recovering. While this does prepare one to always be on guard against temptation - in the flesh - it can deny what God can do for a person. A former alcoholic will always have to rely on his own vigilance.

Seems like that could get tiring after a few years.

But it is true that a former acoholic who is not currently drinking is not sinning. Sin is designated as sin because it tears stuff up in your life, which is the whole reason God wants us to avoid it. If someone wants something very badly, but does not get it, at least he is not actively tearing up his life.

 

[Ouch]

I explained my thoughts on this in my post. Gay is not an act, its a desire that can lead to sin if its not reflected upon and therefore avoided. Being a gay Christian means fighting your whole life against the bodily inclination to sin.

Sin seperates us from GOD.

After we get baptized in JESUS name to get rid of our sins when we sin all we need to do is REPENT and coffes them to him and he will forgive us.

We are suppose to die daily, being gay is a sin just like a theif, or a drunker.

After JESUS fills us with HIS spirit like he did HIS disciples in Acts 2:4 another part of bring reborn HE will lead us and help us from sinning.

So I would agree if a person is gay, he could be reborn, BUT if he continues bing gay he is living for him self not for JESUS.

JESUS will take us the way we are, but if we don't do HIS will but our own we will be lost.

Just like a drunk, if he gets reborn he should WANT to lose that bottle for JESUS.

 

[NotmebutHim]

Are your questions about homosexuality supposed to be "gotcha" questions?

Read your Bible and you will learn what God says about homosexuals & homosexuality and what He says about sinners who earnestly seek God & about those who continue to reject Him.

Jesus died for you. Call upon Him and He will give you eternal life.

 

[Suze]

How can you be a gay Christian?

The same way that u can b an alcoholic Christian or a drug addict Christian or a gambling addict Christian or a sinner who is also a Christian , I am a sinner and I am also a Christian .

 

[Ouch]

The same way that u can b an alcoholic Christian or a drug addict Christian or a gambling addict Christian or a sinner who is also a Christian , I am a sinner and I am also a Christian .

We all have sinned, are you just as much a sinner as you was before you have been saved?

Repent, baptized in JESUS name to get rid of your sins, JESUS filled you with HIS spirit like he did in Acts 2:4?