Understanding God’s election
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@Kroogz
All sins of the elect were paid for, who are saved. Christ paid only for the sins of the saved elect, the whole world of them !
All sins of the elect were paid for, who are saved. Christ paid only for the sins of the saved elect, the whole world of them !
Incorrect. Of himself, man can choose only to reject Him, as man is spiritually blind. God provides man with intellectual knowledge sufficient for judgment. Yet, to be drawn to God and understand spiritual matters, man must first possess spiritual discernment, which comes only through salvation and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
Well we sure know for a fact that YOU do.
A graceless hopeless condemnation for everybody everywhere all the time mindset is quite frankly Satanic.
Come on...
You be honest.
If a one-year-old is killed in a car accident?
A one-year-old who does not even know what the word 'sin' means?
Does that one-year-old deserve hell????
We need to stop being superficial and dumb.
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Who made me the judge of another mans opportunity for salvation? Absolutely nobody. I am not packing the gear. And neither are you.
[1Co 4:5 KJV]
Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.
[1Co 5:12 KJV]
For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
Where are you getting your non-thinking placards from? Calvinism?
READ!
"He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours, but also for the sins of the whole world."
1 John 2:2
The whole world is wherever mankind was found on the earth!Now the whole world had one language and a common speech.
As people moved eastward, they found a plain in Shinar and settled there.
They said to each other, “Come, let’s make bricks and bake them thoroughly.”
They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar. Genesis 11:1-3
THINK with the Word of God!
Not, Theodore Beza, who was only a disciple of John Calvin!
He was the one who came up with TULIP.
You might as well be praying to Mary with your willingness to accept everything you are told in a religious tone.
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No?
[1Co 2:14 KJV] 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
You can only become saved, after you are saved?
NO!
Grace stifles the flesh into silence as a soul is made free to consider the Gospel!
You can know you are a sinner before you are saved! You ever lie? Cheat? Etc?
And, you can also know as an unbeliever that a wonderful, loving man named "Jesus" died on a cross to pay for your sins.
The Gospel is SIMPLE!
Even an unbeliever can grasp it!
Understanding of spiritual truths like the deity of Christ only comes AFTER regeneration!
That was about unbelievers sitting in church listening to Bible classes, not being able to comprehend how others were enjoying it !
So, your "good teacher" couldn't find for you one passage that says that sinners are worthy of God's salvation, heh? And I find it extremely revealing that you won't answer my question about what you think about your own salvation. (This tells me that you must think you are worthy of eternal life.) But little do you realize that such a prideful disposition of heart puts you on a very slippery spiritual slope; for God saves only the humble (Ps 18:27; 76:7-9; 138:6) and teaches only them (Ps 25:9).
No, I'm not. I'm leaning on the Holy Spirit. Whereas you are leaning upon upon mere finite, fallible mortals. If we take your extreme position to its logical conclusion, it would tell us that we dare not open up our own bibles for personal study, meditation or devotions. Your position on this issue is identical to the Catholic Church's, who insist that Catholics need learned priests to teach them. Or for that matter the cults insist that their members always be guided by their leaders.
I never said sinners are worthy of salvation.
I did say that only those who reject the drawing of God are worthy of Hell.
God is not going to have a land of the undecided.
He is going to get everyone to make up their mind.
That is why God has the potter's wheel.
I am saying being born with a sin nature (which Adam chose for, not you) is not by default warranting Hell.
It is what a born sinner decides for that determines Hell, or not.
In the meanwhile...
While the one who was born a sinner is being drawn by God?
All his sins were paid for on the Cross!
That is why we are given time to decide for, or against God, while yet being sinners! The CROSS!
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours,
but also for the sins of the whole world. 1 John 2:2
Calvinism, like Catholicism... was having some grave errors.
Yet, they both had big followings.
Each for herd bound souls for what pleased their mental and emotional pattern.
Ezek 4 has nothing to do with Ezek 36. 390 days in chapter 4 has to do with God's command to the prophet and number of years the Israelites had sinned...
And the length of time that it took the Jews to actually complete temple has NOTHING to do with Cyrus' decree! Read Dan 9 very carefully. There's not a thing in that prophecy that has to do with allotted time for rebuilding. You're reading that into the passage.
And here's another little clue for you: the 70 Weeks (Seventy Sevens) of Daniel are not literal years; they are figurative years; just as the 70 years of deportation was for Israel. The Jews were not deported to Babylon all at once. They were deported in stages -- at least 2 or 3 stages. Ditto for the Gentile nations around them whose occupants were also deported to Babylon. Therefore, there is no way for anyone to accurately determine when the 70 years began or ended.
Neither have you said that you are unworthy either of God's salvation either. It appears you are loathe to admit that. I guess God owes it to you???