The Trinity.
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no, it means i understand what i am dealing with.
you're mind is made up even if Jesus Himself came and told you what i have.
you like the lies you're comfortable with.
so, GO, be comfortable with them.
that's actually a statement.
if it hurts and you feel insulted, that's on you. i merely relayed the facts and the truth.
but, if we play by how YOU make up the Rules: You Falsely Accused me of Denying the Trinity and have NEVER been able to provide such proofs. That is an actual major grievous Insult!
but, i understand what i am dealing with.
so, i let it slide after asking for Proof.
but, i understand what i am dealing with.
so, i let it slide after asking for Proof.
And some insults which should not be used. This isn't about what I feel or don't feel, but the fact that you use insults in your posts. That will cause people to turn away from you and whatever you say which ultimately defeats your intent.
someone like you, i do not mind turning away.
I don't hang with people who continually deny FACT after FACT, it's a waste of time...
Not true. You again used insults:
I replied that's you, and defended the Trinity. I didn't say you denied the Trinity which wouldn't be classified as an insult anyways as it is a topic of debate not a personal attack on your person.
Respond if you wish, but I won't get sucked into this nonsense with you. The issue of insults lie with you, not me.
yes, you did say i was against the Trinity. Now, you are just outright being true to yourself as a LIAR!
You instructed me, the Trinity was Biblical, as if I said it was not!
stop quoting me.
i want nothing of your kind of ilk.
i want to say something here:
i absolutely believe and feel in my spirit, You, are a Person of God, a Family Member in God.
but as a human being, you're nothing i want to hang around with.
and i explained why [continually deny Fact and accuse me of what i did not do]
those traits, are nothing i desire to be around.
but we should never talk again.
I will keep You in my Prayers!
i absolutely believe and feel in my spirit, You, are a Person of God, a Family Member in God.
but as a human being, you're nothing i want to hang around with.
and i explained why [continually deny Fact and accuse me of what i did not do]
those traits, are nothing i desire to be around.
but we should never talk again.
I will keep You in my Prayers!
Very well.
I will yield and allow you to do so.
I am very uninformed on the trinity.
Please present the "teaching" from the Bible that God is three persons and I will happily embrace the concept.
Please prove your position.
Thanks and God bless.
Thanks for replying back to me, I really appreciate it and I am more than happy to honor your request. First of all there are a number of ways to prove the Trinity is a Biblical teaching. We already know that there is one God, period. This one God chose to reveal Himself as three distinct persons. Not three gods, not three different persons, not three people as some have said, not three different forms, but three distinct persons.
The Bible is clear that God is identified by (1) His name, (2) His titles, (3) His unique attributes (or nature), (4) His unique actions, and (5) His worship.
For example, His titles: God, Lord, King or King of kings, Savior, Alpha and Omega, First and Last etc. Isaiah 43:11, "I, even I, am the Lord; And there is no savior besides Me. In the New Testament Jesus is identified as the Savior at Luke 2:11. Jesus is also the "Alpha and Omega, and the First and Last at Revelation 1:8 and at Revelation 1:17-18. You can read these verses for yourself.
How about God's unique attributes? Isaiah 44:24, "Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, I, the Lord am the maker of all things, Stretching out the heavens BY MYSELF, And spreading out the earth, ALL ALONE." In the New Testament. Jesus Christ is identified as the creator as well. John 1:3, Colossians 1:16, Hebrews 1:10 by His own Father, and Revelation 3:14. Again, you can read these verses yourself. Are you beginning to get the picture?
How about one more. His unique names. Called YHWH and its variants, either directly or indirectly, usually both. Of course we already know God the Father is called God. The Son is called God by Thomas at John 20:28, By the Apostle Peter at 2 Peter 21. By the Apostle Paul at Titus 2:13. And again by His own Father at Hebrews 1:8. What about the Holy Spirit? He is called God at Acts 5:3-4.
Now, it's very important to realize that God also chose to reveal Himself as a human being in the person of Jesus Christ. This is explained at Philippians 2:5-8. "Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, vs6. who, although (the word although means in spite of the fact) He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, vs7, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant/man, and being made in the likeness of men."
This means that Jesus Christ was already God in form and then took on the form of a man. So when people say for instance, "If Jesus is God how come He did not know the day of His own return? Or if Jesus Christ is God, why does He pray to His God? The answer is that Jesus was functioning as a 100% contingent human being. That is He depended on His Father in all things. Moreover, you will notice the Father keeps giving credibility to His Son. Mark 1:11 and at other places.
I will stop for now and let you digest what the Bible states. Please read the references I gave to get the full thrust of their meaning. Anymore questions I will be happy to address. You can ask me anything.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Thank you for proving you are just as uninformed on the trinity as every single preacher who pushes the false concept and admits there is absolutely no way to understand it.
For the record, you failed to produce any teaching of God being three persons from Scripture. It doesn't exist.
You don't even know your own concept that you are trying to teach. Distinct and different mean the same thing. They would have to be different persons or they'd be the same person, which completely contradicts the official definition of the trinity.
I am always entertained when anybody proudly tries to defend this doctrine. It is absolute nonsense and not one single proponent has ever done a good job of defending it, they always look foolish, because they are trying to explain a concept that is absolutely ridiculous.
There is no teaching for the trinity found anywhere in the entire Bible, and if there were, we would have recorded examples of people being baptized that way. We have zero.
All baptisms in the Bible are performed in the Name of Jesus Christ.
"Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, ... the Name of Jesus Christ ... there is salvation in none other ... for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."
Acts 4:10, 12
Perhaps you can explain to us why Paul did not address the Holy Spirit in the salutation of any of his epistles.
Because he was being inspired to write by that same Spirit? Why would the Spirit inspire such things and also say, "Oh and don't forget to address me too!". It would be a bit redundant.
1Co_7:40 But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God.
1Co_12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
1Co_12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
I think having the spirit of God, speaking by the Spirit of God, and being given wisdom by the spirit of God supports this idea.
Rom 1:1 Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated to the gospel of God
Rom 1:2 which He promised before through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures,
Rom 1:3 concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh,
Rom 1:4 and declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead.
Rom 1:5 Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name,
Rom 1:6 among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;
Rom 1:7 To all who are in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Longing to Go to Rome
Rom 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
1Co 1:1 Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
1Co 1:2 To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all who in every place call on the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
1Co 1:3 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Etc in all the epistles, he never mentions the Holy Spirit in the salutation. The early Church did not believe in the trinity and it was not recognized until the fourth century when the RCC enforced belief in it.
So...because Paul doesn't mention the Spirit in the salutation, and only in the body of the letters, He doesn't exist?
Paul doesn't mention every believer in his letters. Do they exist?
Paul doesn't mention Peter or John in his salutations either. Do they exist?
Come to think of it, Paul doesn't mention you in his salutations. Are you for real?
Total nonsense. So are you another one of these Anti-Trinitarians who have recently shown up here?