sure in Daniel 7, could the beast be a spiritual being that devours souls and not flesh
TEMPLE......TO BE OR NOT TO BE....THAT IS MY QUESTION!!!!!
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Dan 7 has the same 4 nations.
Babylon
Media-Persia
Greece
rome
So no. it could not be what you are saying
. Lol Ok well I'm just about done Good day.
I'm goin to go and stick a pin into me to check I'm still here
With the coming of the New Covenant, the faithful are indwelt by the Holy Spirit, and have become living temples of God. By the Holy Spirit within us, a greater than the sabbath is here. By the Holy Spirit, the Lord God Almighty lives and walks in us and in him, we live, move, and have our being.
Have you ever studied the book of daniel?I take it you've seen Daniel 7 as a dream that needs interpretation
On a spiritual aspect yes but not on a date aspect or an aspect of where the beast will rise, or whether I should be post trib pre trib or mid trib.
I have given it some time but not much on those aspect but more on the spiritual aspect and interpretation of dreams aspects
The beast in Daniel 7 in my book is a spiritual kingdom that has already risen.
And has been devouring souls for a long time. Which is the great tribulation.
Jesus told us to watch out for the beast who is walking around like a lion looking to devour. Thats your prophecy fulfilled in Daniel 7
That's fine you have your views I have mine.
I suppose some may see what I said different but what your asking is one of the first curiosities I had myself on the matter. Why is that In Daniel 2:21 it says that God "changes times and seasons and (removes kings and raises up kings)" https://biblehub.com/interlinear/daniel/2.htm Daniel is explaining to Nebuchadnezzar that God is who is responsible for his kingdom's position(power) at that time. In Daniel 7 it explains four beast that were kingdoms that hold rule over Daniels people as their punishment https://biblehub.com/interlinear/daniel/7.htm I see these as ordained by God although these were kingdoms that did not worship God but were permitted to hold them in captivity for their refusal to obey God https://biblehub.com/interlinear/romans/13.htm
Then again in Revelation 13 I noticed a difference(probably read it 50 times before I spotted it,lol) but in this case the power and authority is NOT said to be given by God but instead it is given by the Dragon(Satan,Devil,serpent)... I think that is what is being pointed out in Revelation 13 is in that they are following the Dragon when they do this. So I see it as him pointing out that "those who were dwelling on the earth" were deceived and create an image of the wounded head(kingdom, kingdoms=beast in Daniel 7). So it a night and day difference in who is giving the power and authority (Satan does this)
He lived in a world that was corrupt in the sight of God and full of violence... and nephelims and who knows what else. Granted it doesn't say verbatim "Noah suffered tribulation"; but it doesn't sound like Noah was relaxing at some tropical resort, and drinking martinis when God came by and told him to build the ark.
Jesus suffered, the first century church was persecuted... throughout history it has been in various places... so, that a modern/future church might have to go through a big tribulation isn't particularly objectionable to me.
By spatial proximity. Time-wise, a thousand years is as a day; I don't know any more than what the scripture says.
I appreciate the answer. And tribulation is part and parcel of a fallen world. And suffering is also a fact of life for Christians. But most believe that the worst tribulation ever is coming. What's the purpose behind God pouring out judgment upon those He has already redeemed. Noah isn't the only example I could give. Did the Hebrews suffer when God brought plagues on the Egyptians? Why would God pour out His wrath on those He has pardoned?
I'm fine with what the word of God says. I'm asking you what does it say. Is the return of Christ imminent?
No of course not.
Yes the beast, the little horn, the greater Goliath, the Satan-man, the coming Judas 2.0, is going to be a Jew (much to the chagrin of Arnold Fruchtenbaum who says otherwise).
But the nation Israel is never a "type" of an evil person or nation in the book of Revelation.
And when a beast is spoken of describing nations........they are always gentile. Without exception both New Testament and Old Testament.
Except they ask for a king "like the other nations"... https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_samuel/8.htm
That's one view, but that's not the argument being made by the other poster. Gotta work with what's on the table.
Indeed. Saul being a type of the antichrist.
Israel will make the same mistake during the tribulation.
Yep they went from one King to the next progressing from close to obedient until they were one king after the next disobedient and were carried away into captivity. Then the pharisees ask Jesus to rebuke his disciples because they called him their king(verse 39) https://biblehub.com/interlinear/luke/19.htm Afterwards they said they had no king if not Caesar(verse 15) https://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/19.htm Jesus told them that he came in the name of his father and they would not receive him and so if one comes in his own name they would receive him(verse 43) https://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/5.htm They have a long record of not understanding who the king is and so when the man of sin comes they will receive him and learn better.
except Jesus had revealed the man of sin then this happened
Matthew 27:52 is the fifty-second verse of the twenty-seventh chapter of the Gospel of Matthew in the New Testament. This verse describes some of the events that occurred upon death of Jesus, particularly the report that tombs broke open and the saints inside were resurrected.
Matthew 27:52
← 27:51
27:53 →
Domenico Beccafumi's depiction of Jesus leading the patriarchs out of limbo, c.1530-1535
I take it you've seen Daniel 7 as a dream that needs interpretation
The angel interprets it for him in the text
“I don't believe something that is destroyed is eternal.
I also don't believe the new heavens and new earth are literal however.”
How do you understand the doctrine that describes one heaven and earth being destroyed and another that is promised I’m not sure how else one would take the doctrine
“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
2 Peter 3:7, 10, 12-13 KJV
how would you explain what’s being taught there ?
Sorry but I am a hard-boiled pre-rapture believer. Like boilerplate fundamental doctrine as far as I am concerned.except Jesus had revealed the man of sin then this happened
Matthew 27:52 is the fifty-second verse of the twenty-seventh chapter of the Gospel of Matthew in the New Testament. This verse describes some of the events that occurred upon death of Jesus, particularly the report that tombs broke open and the saints inside were resurrected.
Matthew 27:52
← 27:51
27:53 →
Domenico Beccafumi's depiction of Jesus leading the patriarchs out of limbo, c.1530-1535
Have never heard any compelling argument to the contrary in 20-30 years.