Rediscovering pisteuo.
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The Greek is the most precise language on the planet. The burden is on the English to make sense out of the Greek, not the other way around.
Correct. And that is the way it happens for everyone saved, which is what makes it by grace and not by our works, and also what makes
Christ the Savior, not man.
I don't need to I know how salvation works. You're the one with the problem. If you're going to post something the onus is
on you to explain it
If you could provide Verses that are hard core proof that goes against his man made Reformed Doctrine he would throw the rest of the Bible away and only keep the Verses used for his Doctrine.
The polka dots are real dried up paint blotches in his Doctrine.
Read this Op a couple of times. Nothing but the mistranslated words believe, believer, and believing separate work and effort from true faith action.
I think he's a victim of the fact pisteuo couldn't be translated into the English language. I've ran across alot of them over the years. At least he doesn't get nasty, at least not yet. You sound like you and him already have some history.
I didn't reply right away to let him keep posting but now go back and read and see if you aren't connecting the patterns to Manson, Hitler's mantra. I mean it's occultic the way he is. No way Jesus was like that.
No, it has nothing to do with that. Scripture is quite sufficient to teach what belief that saves means. I think you're quite delusional to think that you have something that no one else has had during the past nearly 2000 years
It was the first time I'd talked with him or her. I always try to use this as a teaching experience, but my ignore list is proof that doesn't work to often.
I have noticed we might have some like minded understandings, Lrs68. That doesn't happen to often, I'll keep an eye out for you.
That makes me interested in your next Topic to discuss once you have completed what you need with this one
That makes me interested in your next Topic to discuss once you have completed what you need with this one
I like to discuss faith and what I call faithing. Pistis and pisteuo. And specifically at the very beginning of the salvation journey. Our response to the call of the Father. So more than likely it will have something to do with that.
Well there's a handful here that believe as the other poster did and you will generally have that coming from the Baptist, Wesleyan, Presbyterian, and other Reformed based associations. And they will take an obvious Verse and parts of several other Verses and change the meaning to suit their personal beliefs.
They will claim a person has to be Saved before the person believes in God.
But Romans 1 explains that God has manifested Himself to certain people who understand this is God but will still deny God. Of course the Reformed will claim because of God's Sovereignty that God already condemned these people to Hell so naturally they will reject God because ultimately God will be glorified even in their eternal suffering.
But Paul wrote Believing or having Faith comes by hearing the Gospel preached. Even Luke, the Author of Acts shows us several examples of preaching the Gospel from Peter in Chapter 10 and as the Gentile Cornelius and his family heard the Gospel preached the Holy Ghost came upon them and they began Speaking in Tongues and were Saved.
So there's plenty of Verses that prove the Reformed position on the Order from unsaved to being Saved to be incorrect. But they won't budge on anything. Even if Jesus Himself told them they were wrong they would argue.
So be prepared and ready because once they find you they will attack in groves and try to wear you out.
I've only been here for a month and have had some of those attacks. I've just put them in the corn field, the ignore list. Once someone gets disrespectful, i have zero tolerance. I know I can be pretty direct, but I never disrespect. I do understand that if you took the time to become a member here, your no doubt being called out and seeking the correct response.
I'm sure there are those from the other side doing their thing also. But if we stay true to our relationship with Him, we'll be fine.
I've never been very interested in the different denominations, but laser focused on the different doctrines, i just couldn't tell you were they belong.
I'm expecting some of my understandings will raise your eyebrows, I'm definitely not in the main stream Christianity of today. I claim a textbook born again experience, and have been fortunate to have had one of the best Bible scholars to perfect my faith.
Looking forward sharpening ourselves in Him.
The corn field is great. Thank you. Don't have to interact with you and can take pot shots at will at rats, so to speak. I was never disrespectful to you; you simply couldn't handle the heat and light.