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Isaiah prophesied just before the Babylonian captivity and Daniel and Ezekiel prophesied from Babylon while captive there. Have a believing heart and give God glory for fulfilling their/his words to Israel/Judah by bringing them back from Babylon to the land of Israel and giving them a new spirit under the new covenant. An unbelieving mind and spirit create a spiritual myopia that can't see prophetic fulfillments that occurred in the distant past, and consequently project them into the future as if they haven't already been fulfilled. Such unbelief dishonors God because it's saying he hasn't been faithful to his words.
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But Christ is more than a philosopher, He is the Lord of Lords, the King of kings, the Savior and Messiah. In the tradition of the apostles and disciples of Jesus Christ as recorded in scripture, you may properly refer to me as a believer, son of God, saint, brother in the Lord, etc. But not a "Christian". I am not a "little Christ" I am, however, a member of His Body... His flesh and bones.
With that said...
"Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also."
What you are saying is that Israel has the Father without the Son.
This is so obviously impossible according to the Bible you say you uphold. By that doctrine Christ is divided. Indeed, that doctrine is anti-Christ.
BTW: your straw-man is that I said Israel has no right to defend itself as a nation. If you read my posts you will see that I wrote the opposite: Israel HAS the right to defend itself as a nation... just like every other nation. But pretending they have a holy right to kill others is false. No, they are like every other nation in the world.
Oh, and BTW: democracy may be the form of government that is MOST UNLIKE the Kingdom of God. So there's no bonus points, from God's point of view, for having a democracy or a Representative Republic for that matter.
Aaron56
P.S. I no longer expect more from you. I see exactly what you are now.
You should have asked more questions. Don't call me a "Christian" but I certainly am a believer.
How glibly you justify the killing of babies and children many directly by sniper bullets knowing full well the intended target.
And get your history right the people of Gaza have never had full self-determination.
As well none of this is prophetic, it is evil on full display.
Are they actually being killed? Did you see how the former green beret who went around crying about murdered kids at the aid stations? They just found the kid alive and well 100% verified. The people spreading this dis information got to ask yourself How many of you baby sniper kills are absolute bs like that guys story was?
You think the many doctors that were over there treating the wounds are lying.
He was not lying he went back to the show and was exonerated.
Purely from population density calculations they have estimated about 300 000 have been killed mostly women and children.
There is only one state that is known for its propaganda/hasbara.
Remember the weapons of mass destruction that were in Iraq and resulted in a million deaths.
Please wake up.
Stop the nonsense everything that the nay sayers have said has been proven false?
Go ahead and blame israel just like the rest of the world.
Go ahead and blame israel just like the rest of the world.
How was he not lying the kid is on the front page of every newspaper. The one he went on msnbc and any station that would pay him and told his story about watching idf gun him down. If you believe these stories your as brainwashed as the people on the other side. Just trained by different propaganda. We got to be able to think for ourself here. Fox and msnbc and npr are all lying sacks.
His story about the little boy killed by the IDF was verified.
It's like Stockholm Syndrome. God give them the grace to sober up from the whore of Babylon's wine
And a slave of [the] Lord must not quarrel; but be calm to all, qualified for teaching, enduring evil, in gentleness correcting the ones being in opposition; lest at any time God should give to them a change of heart into full knowledge of the truth; and they should recover from out of the trap of the devil, having been taken alive by him into his purposes. 2 Timothy 2:24-26
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Yea the bi le does talk about isreel being restored as a nation but not here like some insist
“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth. The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
Isaiah 24:5, 17, 19-20
instead he’s promised this
“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying. And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them. They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands. They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them. And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear. The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.”
Isaiah 65:17-19, 21-25 KJV
In the new testsment it sounds like this
“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.( not here ) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. ( not where he restores them )
(But here where he’s actually promised ) Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
2 Peter 3:7, 10, 13 KJV
to be clear because several of you are t reading what I’ve said apprently . The bi ke clearly teaches that this earth is going to be destroyed by fire when Jesus returns it’s clear and repetetive . After that happens then we’ll see the restoration of the whole creation including the new Jerusalem coming to a new earth
Israel’s restoration will be according to what’s in the Bible Gods way . They were never going to be restored by bombs and war and the Will of men . They’ll be restored when Christ retirns from heaven , destroys this fallen world and restored them in a new one
It seems basic and consistent and there’s just nothing in the nt to even speak of Israel being retired on this earth not a single verse yet they were isrselites speaking of this world ending and then being restored in a new world
isaac newton and them had opinions too I’m sure I’d disagree if that’s rhier irediction and belief . It’s not a biblical one
There actually are verses that indicate Israel will return to the land forever.
Armageddon likely refers to Har (mount) Megiddo in northern Israel, which is where the final battle of this age will occur between the world and Christ with the resurrected children of Abraham
And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs [come] out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, [which] go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. Revelation 16:13-14
And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. Revelation 16:16
And then after 1000 years there will be another battle in the land of Israel. This battle and the one above have to be on the earth because natural men do not have access to heaven. Also, the beloved city obviously refers to earthly Jerusalem that has been rebuilt after the great city that is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt (and Babylon) by God, but is called Jerusalem by the world, is utterly destroyed at the lord's coming.
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. Revelation 20:7-9
Other verses that indicate the Israel of God will be restored to the land of Israel are those in which God promises the land to Abraham as an inheritance. Abe wandered that land for many years, but never owned any of it except for a cave that he used to bury Sarah in. It makes no sense that God would give Abraham land as an inheritance that was not meant for him to live in forever.
And he said unto him, I [am] the LORD that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it. Genesis 15:7
yeah revelation is an apacolypse though not a literal timeline of events is the thing . . What does the doctrine say about Israel’s restoration ?
Jesus is Israel’s messiah brother . He the one god promised in the Old Testament who would raise up the tribes of Jacob and also be sent to all nations to be the savior and Gods salvation to the ends of the earth
“And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth. Thus saith the LORD, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the LORD that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee. Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages; that thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places. They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them. And I will make all my mountains a way, and my highways shall be exalted.”
Isaiah 49:6-11 KJV
But they rejected him and still do today unless they repent anc convert to belief in Christ they have not a Hope in the universe . And Christ didn’t promise anyone any land on this earth
“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.”
2 Peter 3:7
This isn’t gods promise to his people
“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
2 Peter 3:10-13 KJV
There could be “a restoration “ of isreel this earth as they remain in rejection of Christ ….. but it’s not going to be of God . He will restore them his way as he has foretold . Where and when he has foretold .
that’s just by own belief I’ve often asked people why Jesus the lord and his apostles never taught a single word about it in the New Testament
and everyone points to johns chaotic apacalyptic vision that’s stumped men and led to false predictions since it was written and this “literal “ thousand year riegn on this earth it yet the rest of the entirety of johns visions in the book are all considered not to be literal for instance a lamb with seven eyes and seven horns who’d been slain and yet lives at the throne ….. not literal but apacolypse from the rest of the Bible about Jesus shown in a visual form to John .
of ten kings taking power with a giant beast with seven heads that comes out of a sea and ten horns to destroy a great prostitute ect these are all apacalyptic visions not literal or linear timelines of events but they are showing forth o formation from the rest of the Bible in an apacalyptic vision shown to the church just before Jerusalem was destroyed by rome
to find the literal within it you have to look at the doctrine in the rest of the Bible that’s what it’s actually showing in the vision . Israel will be restored by his promise when the messiah returns and fulfills the curse promises of they rejected him
“For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts. Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments. Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: and he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.”
Malachi 4:1-6
They rejected and crucified Jesus and beheaded John when he arrived …so the day of the lord will be as Peter proclaims in his epistle or Paul proclaims here
“and to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: ( that’s who’s being destroyed by the fire in the vision ) who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; when he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe in that day.”
2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 KJV
The people of God aren’t on one city they are across the globe yet are on Christ as one people it’s not about this earth anymore it’s about the promises he was making all along for israel and all the nations for a new creation
A read tbrough Hebrews should open eyes of what the Hebrews were being taught about thier inheritance
“These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city. ….And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.”
Hebrews 11:13, 16, 39-40 KJV
It’s strange they never said anything about the land to the Hebrews only that it’s ….not on earth and tbat it’s something God has prepared that’s far better .
toyd thibk the New Testament would have a clear theme they taught about his thousand year reign and this restoration of a temple in Jerusalem on this earth but there’s not a sentance apart from a vision that’s an apacolypse based on the other information in the Bible
mostly the doctrine is repetetive and clear about things like …. Hom destroying this earth and then after that restoring it and Israel as a nation in a new earth
The word translated as "earth" in this prophecy is eretz, which means land, ie, the land of Israel, or more specifically the land of the kingdom of Judah. Isaiah was prophesying the destruction of the kingdom of Judah by Babylon that happened around 576 BC. It's not a prophecy about the whole world other than having similar imagery as to what will happen to all kingdoms of the world at the end of the age of the gentiles.
Yeah he did give it to them then they broke his covenant law of the land he gave them which tends to get completely ignored
“And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth: and all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God. The LORD shall command the blessing upon thee in thy storehouses, and in all that thou settest thine hand unto; and he shall bless thee in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee. The LORD shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, and walk in his ways. And the LORD shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the LORD thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do them: and thou shalt not go aside from any of the words which I command thee this day, to the right hand, or to the left, to go after other gods to serve them.
But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee: cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field. The LORD shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me. The LORD shall make the pestilence cleave unto thee, until he have consumed thee from off the land, whither thou goest to possess it. The LORD shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish. The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth. And thy carcase shall be meat unto all fowls of the air, and unto the beasts of the earth, and no man shall fray them away. The fruit of thy land, and all thy labours, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway: so that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see. The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone. And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the LORD shall lead thee. Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee: and they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.”
Deuteronomy 28:1-2, 8-9, 13-16, 20-22, 25-26, 33-34, 36-37, 45-46
some want to just make it unconditional it isn’t there’s a covenant attatched . All of Gods promises are in Christ that’s why we have to accept him. We want to look for what Christ promised . Because everything else is a curse he’s the only way to be saved for the curse of the broken eternal covenant . Jew or gentile can’t be saved by the law. No one can be saved until they accept Jesus it seems a simple statement to make to Christian’s
If you look at the Jews as “ a people “you’ll find they all worship through Judaism
thats thier issue judaism is the religion of the Jews not the faith of the Hebrews Hebrews have a better inheritance that all people are included in
Instead of using this approach to convince of what you believe, why don't you address the points I made that refute the claim you made that there are no NT verses indicating Israel's return to the land?
Yeah there’s always mistranslated words when we don’t agree but is this also mistranslated that confirms earth is theright term ?
“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
2 Peter 3:7, 10, 13 KJV
also probably mistranslated yet they seem to confirm earth is the right term. This is what I’m saying about doctrine you can say a words not right but it’s going to say the same thing elsewhere so then every word needs to be mistranslated to make theories fit
“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”
Matthew 24:35 KJV
“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
2 Peter 3:10, 13
“Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof. The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken this word. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.
Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left. Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth. The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
Isaiah 24:1, 3, 5-6, 17, 19-20
seems consistent unless it’s just all worded wrong the ot and new both la gushes by all the fifty plus translators ect seems like it’s simple
Probably because you began this interaction and haven’t addressed a single scriptire or thing I’ve said . Just began claiming refutations Lol it’s sort of on you to take your own advice there first address what all those scriptres have to say that’s more what I’m trying to “ convince “ of what they actually say …..
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