Israel.

[God-fearing]

Right they were . My point was that the nation of Israel was established by the west winning the war and the counsel afterwards . They all got together because the Jews were not only being persecuted in Germany and Italy but pretty much across the globe . It was a world problem the societies were blaming Jews for all the depressed economies . Illegal immigrants they saw them as and knew it was straining thoer societies

the solution they came up with was to force the people in the land pit and make a jewish state according to the land described in the Bible . “ all these wandering Jews are a problem they need a homeland let’s take what the Bible said and use it for justification to create a Jewish state and send them all to one place so they aren’t in our lands “

abut first we need to slaughter and remove those people that fill the land today . And so the Zionist plans and ideas that existed before this as a solution ….Began to be instilled and executed . The muslim peoples in the land began to swiftly be pushed out with violent means coercion threats and so on

My point was where the idea and motivations and means and decision came from it’s not what god promises in the Bible regarding Israel’s restoration . The messiah being rejected will never lead to restoration “ Jews “ need to convert to Christianity in order to inherit the blessing and be restored Gods way .

what we are seeing in this world now ( in my opinion and it’s okay that we don’t agree I don’t have a problem with it ) is not what God has foretold in the Bible regarding Israel’s salvation and restoration through a new eternal covenant and the messiah who brought it to them . God will do what he said but sometimes man tries to do it for him before he does it …..it never works out look at saria and her plan to provide Abraham an heir to fulfill gods promise to him by going outside his marriage with her servant as if God wasn’t able to provide the hier

i think ( just my opinion ) that’s what This is man trying to force gods plan by tboer own Will to restore a desolate nation to a people that are rejecting thier lord and savior whomis the only way for them or anyone else to be redeemed and restored to life everlasting

Israel became a democratic country upon its independence and establishment on May 14, 1948. The country's first leaders proclaimed a parliamentary democracy with a unicameral Knesset (legislature) and a judicial system headed by the Supreme Court, which continues to function as the framework of Israel's democratic government today.
Key aspects of Israel's democracy at its founding:
Declaration of Independence:
The Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel was proclaimed on May 14, 1948, outlining the nation's future as a democracy.
Knesset:
The country's unicameral parliament was established to be the legislative body, with members elected by universal suffrage at age 18.
Supreme Court:
A judicial system, with the Supreme Court as its head, was put in place to ensure a functioning legal framework for the new democracy.
Political Parties:
A range of political parties were and continue to be a part of Israel's democratic system, with diverse secular and religious platforms.
Israel has operated as a parliamentary democracy since its inception, a system built upon the Zionist democratic ethos that existed before 1948.

 

[brightfame52]

It is worldly to a carnal mind, but in a spiritual sense, sharing techniques with neighbors on getting CLEAN water, is very Christian. Other ground breaking inventions to HELP mankind I see as a blessing, not merely a 'worldly' based motive. I realize some would never concede to this fact and that's on them.

All that stuff is of the world. Its all going to burn up soon as well, this is what Israel of God looks forward to with Peter 2 Pet 3:

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the

elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

I hope thats what you looking for

 

[brightfame52]

It is worldly to a carnal mind, but in a spiritual sense, sharing techniques with neighbors on getting CLEAN water, is very Christian. Other ground breaking inventions to HELP mankind I see as a blessing, not merely a 'worldly' based motive. I realize some would never concede to this fact and that's on them.

Notice 2 Pet 3:13

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Thats what Abraham and the other heirs looked for Heb 11:8-10;13-16

8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.

15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.

16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

 

[brightfame52]

@2ndTimeIsTheCharm

It's evidence that God blessed them and in turn was a blessing to the whole world. Not only in giving us Jesus, but through the contributions they have given to world.


Genesis 12:1 The Lord had said to Abram, “Go from your country, your people and your father’s household to the land I will show you.

2 “I will make you into a great nation,
and I will bless you;
I will make your name great,
and you will be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you,
and whoever curses you I will curse;
and all peoples on earth
will be blessed through you.”

This is about Salvation and Spiritual Blessings Gospel promises through Christ Abrahams Seed Gal 3:16

Gal 3:8

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

 

[TabinRivCA]

All that stuff is of the world. Its all going to burn up soon as well, this is what Israel of God looks forward to with Peter 2 Pet 3:

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the

elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

I hope thats what you looking for

I don't get you, so you think 'everything' in the world is carnal? In a purely carnal sense, but looking behind the scenes the motives/drive for producing techniques that benefit mankind is not carnal even though you think so. Well, carnal that you can touch a drip irrigation water saving devise but Spiritual in the desire to help fellow human beings. Desiring to aid farmers, help parapalegic individuals and creating a way to supply clean water not only for Israel but also share with others, may be carnal in your carnal mind, to others they're a Godsend. Having water at all, let alone drinkable water in the desert is indeed a tangible thing, and only bc of someone's(Israel's) benevolence do they have that drinkable water. Btw, I'm very familiar w/Scripture and apply it thoughtfully not just abuse it to try and make a point.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

@2ndTimeIsTheCharm






This is about Salvation and Spiritual Blessings Gospel promises through Christ Abrahams Seed Gal 3:16

Gal 3:8

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

I DID mention Jesus. I also wanted to list all the physical blessings God had given us through the Jews and continue to do so.

 

[God-fearing]

Yeah none of that addresses the point I made that the cirrent nation of Israel was man’s idea and design and plan and execution before any of that. It was a solution to the Jewish problem after ww2 and the Holocost .

It doesn’t change what god said he would do to restore Israel in scripture and what has been done by mankind to restore them being entirely contrary .

God will keep his word but he doesn’t bless man’s interventions making thier own way

Well my friend you can't have a monarchy without a king and that's my point. That's where Jesus steps in.
Central of it all is Jerusalem where all nations will gather. Jerusalem, temple mount, zion, it all fits but you seem to be missing a few puzzle pieces.

It doesn’t change what god said he would do to restore Israel in scripture and what has been done by mankind to restore them being entirely contrary .

Oh ok so now God doesn't use men as vessels, giving them knowledge, influence, what was he suppose to do zap it all in order?
A waste land turned into a prosperous nation in less than 80 yrs doesn't catch your eye. Who's blind now.
But that's not all of the restoration that's going to come enter king Jesus.
Notice when God points to the latter days he says ....in that day....in that day? A thousand yrs as one day.
King Jesus rules with a rod of Iron from Jerusalem, zion, with his people his friends. He is the center of all life for he is life it self.
After which that day be fulfilled Satan once again is loosed to deceive and causes those nations who reject what is right in front of their face to rise up against the king. The New earth and heaven comes after all the drama.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I don't get you, so you think 'everything' in the world is carnal?

Everything of man not walking in the spirit of God is definitely carnal. Good intentions and worldly inventions mean nothing to God. Esau had good intentions

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Well my friend you can't have a monarchy without a king and that's my point. That's where Jesus steps in.
Central of it all is Jerusalem where all nations will gather. Jerusalem, temple mount, zion, it all fits but you seem to be missing a few puzzle pieces.

It doesn’t change what god said he would do to restore Israel in scripture and what has been done by mankind to restore them being entirely contrary .

Oh ok so now God doesn't use men as vessels, giving them knowledge, influence, what was he suppose to do zap it all in order?
A waste land turned into a prosperous nation in less than 80 yrs doesn't catch your eye. Who's blind now.
But that's not all of the restoration that's going to come enter king Jesus.
Notice when God points to the latter days he says ....in that day....in that day? A thousand yrs as one day.
King Jesus rules with a rod of Iron from Jerusalem, zion, with his people his friends. He is the center of all life for he is life it self.
After which that day be fulfilled Satan once again is loosed to deceive and causes those nations who reject what is right in front of their face to rise up against the king. The New earth and heaven comes after all the drama.

“Well my friend you can't have a monarchy without a king and that's my point. That's where Jesus steps in.”

yeah he did step in and they rejected and crucified him as a heretic and blasphemer . so he was then sent to all humanity as thier king . That’s my point Jews reject Jesus it’s against thier religion lol they have to repent and convert to Christianity and then they’ll inherit the promises in Christ to all nations ……a new heaven and earth to come

 

[Gideon300]

Both America and Israel made declarations of independence from the British Empire. Israel was a colonial project of the British that had been in the works for decades. In a newspaper article written 3 decades before 1948 Winston Churchill proposed the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine in order to give the British a colonial foothold in the Middle East and to provide an incentive to nationalist zionist Jews to oppose international bolshevism. Hardly "born in a day" and hardly a miracle, but rather, world politics as usual.

"Zionism offers the third sphere to the political conceptions of the Jewish race. In violent contrast to international communism, it presents to the Jew a national idea of a commanding character. It has fallen to the British Government, as the result of the conquest of Palestine, to have the opportunity and the responsibility of securing for the Jewish race all over the world a home and a centre of national life. The statesmanship and historic sense of Mr. Balfour were prompt to seize this opportunity. Declarations have been made which have irrevocably decided the policy of Great Britain. The fiery energies of Dr. Weissmann, the leader, for practical purposes, of the Zionist project, backed by many of the most prominent British Jews, and supported by the full authority of Lord Allenby, are all directed to achieving the success of this inspiring movement.

Of course, Palestine is far too small to accommodate more than a fraction of the Jewish race, nor do the majority of national Jews wish to go there. But if, as may well happen, there should be created in our own lifetime by the banks of the Jordan a Jewish State under the protection of the British Crown, which might comprise three or four millions of Jews, an event would have occurred in the history of the world which would, from every point of view, be beneficial, and would be especially in harmony with the truest interests of the British Empire."

You do know that Britain revoked its support for a Jewish state in 1939. It opposed immigration to the territory of Palestine because the Arabs were getting upset. So it consigned millions of Jews to death camps. In the most terrible irony, Britain is a Muslim hell hole in all but name. God's judgement still applies as He promised Abraham.

I suppose you also know that Jews fought the British in Palestine, in order to get what the British promised but reneged on. And the British trained Egyptian and Arab league armed forces. Yes, Israel could have been a great asset to Britain. Instead, the British betrayed Israel and have been paying the price ever since.

I'm English, by the way. I'm not a nationalist - my citizenship is in heaven - but I can't help but be grieved by the state of Britain now. It's the nation of the Wesley brothers, Whitfield, Spurgeon and Taylor. It once was the greatest empire of all. It all fell apart in just a few decades. Britain had a choice, support Israel or the Arab nations. Britain made a terrible mistake.

 

[God-fearing]

“Well my friend you can't have a monarchy without a king and that's my point. That's where Jesus steps in.”

yeah he did step in and they rejected and crucified him as a heretic and blasphemer . so he was then sent to all humanity as thier king . That’s my point Jews reject Jesus it’s against thier religion lol they have to repent and convert to Christianity and then they’ll inherit the promises in Christ to all nations ……a new heaven and earth to come

And so it was prophesied to be to point to the one that soon will be. Well friend I do wish you well and agree to disagree
Just stop judging this israel as a counterfeit its not true and that's not Christian.

 

[Gideon300]

“Well my friend you can't have a monarchy without a king and that's my point. That's where Jesus steps in.”

yeah he did step in and they rejected and crucified him as a heretic and blasphemer . so he was then sent to all humanity as thier king . That’s my point Jews reject Jesus it’s against thier religion lol they have to repent and convert to Christianity and then they’ll inherit the promises in Christ to all nations ……a new heaven and earth to come

This blanket "the Jews" is false. Which of the first disciples were not Jews? Which of the founding apostles?

The Kingdom of God will be established on earth. Yes, there will be a new heavens and a new earth. In the meantime, Jesus will reign from Jerusalem. If Israel does not exist, the book of Revelation has no meaning.

It is wrong to conflate the redeemed with the nation of Israel. No one is saved apart from Christ, whatever nationality or race they may be. God promised to restore Israel and that He has done. Paul devoted 3 chapters of the letter to the Romans to that subject. God does not waste words. Romans 9, 10 and 11 are still God's word.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The Kingdom of God will be established on earth. Yes, there will be a new heavens and a new earth. In the meantime, Jesus will reign from Jerusalem. If Israel does not exist, the book of Revelation has no meaning.

Revelation doesn't say anything about a nation of Israel. It mentions a location called Armageddon (Mount Megiddo) and it mentions a great city the world calls Jerusalem, but God calls Sodom and Egypt. And for those who have ears to hear, it is also called Babylon. Jesus can reign from Jerusalem without any city being there because it is a location. There doesn't have to be people or buildings there, and I suspect when Jesus returns there won't be either

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Everything of man not walking in the spirit of God is definitely carnal. Good intentions and worldly inventions mean nothing to God. Esau had good intentions

I meant Cain had good intentions. brainfart. He worshipped God in a way that seemed right to him, but wasn't through faith in God's revelation

 

[CommodoreTeach]

Zionist simply hijacked the "Jewish People" and threw us under them...Zionist are simply Satanic and might as well call them Nazis. They have nothing to do with the CHILDREN OF G-D...ZERO!!!

100%. During and prior to WWII (and possibly afterward, but that's not mainstream), Zionists and Nazis worked hand-in-glove. These groups are simply two sides of the same coin - little wonder their deeds are almost indistinguishable.

 

[CommodoreTeach]

The enmity in this tread is staggering. Some here deny what is right in front of their eyes.

I'd argue it's two religions. Modern day Judaism a.k.a. Holocaustianity a.k.a. Christian Zionism a.k.a. Dispensationalism, verses Gospel truth - "all are one in Christ Jesus". Simply watching which side the lies, deceit and false accusations are coming from should give any observer a big clue as to which side is not for Christ (and therefore which side is).

 

[HeIsHere]

I'd argue it's two religions. Modern day Judaism a.k.a. Holocaustianity a.k.a. Christian Zionism a.k.a. Dispensationalism, verses Gospel truth - "all are one in Christ Jesus". Simply watching which side the lies, deceit and false accusations are coming from should give any observer a big clue as to which side is not for Christ (and therefore which side is).

I noticed a post on her by accident since, I have tried to keep the person on ignore, where exposing the truth now makes us responsible for triggering the person in the recent church shooting.

What is really annoying is that the person has no clue what that shooter was about and as per usual goes by a few soundbites.

So we are triggering unstable people, but the IDF is absolved in their atrocities.

Beyond belief once again.

 

[HeIsHere]

I said there may be different roles during the millennium but said at least three times now during the church age there is no difference.

Does the word "millennium" occur in scripture?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

This blanket "the Jews" is false. Which of the first disciples were not Jews? Which of the founding apostles?

The Kingdom of God will be established on earth. Yes, there will be a new heavens and a new earth. In the meantime, Jesus will reign from Jerusalem. If Israel does not exist, the book of Revelation has no meaning.

It is wrong to conflate the redeemed with the nation of Israel. No one is saved apart from Christ, whatever nationality or race they may be. God promised to restore Israel and that He has done. Paul devoted 3 chapters of the letter to the Romans to that subject. God does not waste words. Romans 9, 10 and 11 are still God's word.

“This blanket "the Jews" is false. Which of the first disciples were not Jews? Which of the founding apostles? “

yeah they converted to Christianity which is the point Judaism is a religion when a person converts there is no such things as a Jew or a gentile they are born again

judaism cannot save any human Christianity can save any human Jew included gentile included everyone jew or gentile has to convert and believe like the early church did bit Judaism has to go away as does gentile religion

Jew or gentile have to repent and convert or they can’t be saved Jews don’t exist in the new covenant nor do gentiles that’s old covenant identification look what happens in Christ

“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:27-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Being a Jew doesn’t help being gentile doesn’t help both have to repent and believe the gospel . The Jews are formed by Judaism it’s a religion not a race . Hebrews are a race Jews are because of Judaism a religion that rejects Christ as messiah

No Jew can be saved if they won’t repent and accept the gospel . So for people to think God is blessing thier nation as they reject the messiah his son still because of thier religion , is what I personally consider “ false “

this is absolutely tru for a Jew or a gentile

“Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel, if we this day be examined of the good deed done to the impotent man, by what means he is made whole; be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭4:8-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

as long as Judaism is a persons belief there’s no possibility of being saved that’s a fact . Reject Jesus and the gospel and there’s nothing left that’s the issue with “ Jews “ they reject Jesus Christ because of thier religion which defines them

jews aren’t a nation they are the religious zealots adherent to trusting Moses law , the Hebrews people became a nation through isreal ( Jacob ) and his offspring.

so yeah no one’s blanketing the “ Jews “ they have to repent and become christians like anyone else does but try to get a Jew to let go of Judaism then you’ll understand it’s a religion not a race

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Does the word "millennium" occur in scripture?

No, but as I'm sure you know a 1000 year period, which is what millennium means, is mentioned. I doubt the word century exists either, but there are certainly periods of 100 years, ie centuries, mentioned in the bible.