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I stand corrected.


You've had prophetic dreams? It is not surprising you've had dreams about this given your preoccupation with the subject, but how do you know the dreams are prophetic and are not just ordinary dreams?


People dream about things that preoccupy us during our waking hours. I’ve experienced this myself. This doesn't surprise me that you have dreams about the end times and about God.
It doesnt surprise me either Acts 2:17 …16but this is what was spoken of through the prophet Joel: 17'AND IT SHALL BE IN THE LAST DAYS,' God says, 'THAT I WILL POUR FORTH OF MY SPIRIT ON ALL MANKIND; AND YOUR SONS AND YOUR DAUGHTERS SHALL PROPHESY, AND YOUR YOUNG MEN SHALL SEE VISIONS, AND YOUR OLD MEN SHALL DREAM DREAMS; 18EVEN ON MY BONDSLAVES, BOTH MEN AND WOMEN, I WILL IN THOSE DAYS POUR FORTH OF MY SPIRIT And they shall prophesy.…
 
you asked what if I was wrong and I told you what my response If I was wrong. But im pretty sure im not considering what has happened every time these tetrads appeared
So you are saying that every time four total lunar eclipses occur within a six month time frame there is a significant political event on Earth that has end times ramifications? Can you give me some examples?
 
So you are saying that every time four total lunar eclipses occur within a six month time frame there is a significant political event on Earth that has end times ramifications? Can you give me some examples?
Six month time frame? are you sure were talking about the same thing here? I am talking about the four blood moon tetrad in which four blood moons in a row land on Jewish feast days not just regular blood moons
 
So you are saying that every time four total lunar eclipses occur within a six month time frame there is a significant political event on Earth that has end times ramifications? Can you give me some examples?

Here's a video that I had posted a while ago that can answer your question.


<strong>[video=youtube_share;ew1FBRnw9ao]http://youtu.be/ew1FBRnw9ao[/video]
 
I hear what you're saying, but here's what I see happening with folks who put inordinate amounts of time into studying end times prophecies. The focus on the whens, hows, and whos, tend to lead to a propensity for 'prepping'. Depending on one's eschatological view, 'preppers' prepare for either a pre-rapture 'judgement' of the USA or for strapping in until a mid or post-trib rapture. These preparations go beyond simple food and water needs to stockpiling weapons and some buying land and choosing to live in isolated areas for when the time comes to 'bug out'. Some have primary homes and 'BOBs', 'Bug Out Bags', all ready to make flight to their rural retreats to ride out the Tribulation.

Please don't misunderstand me here - I believe that there is wisdom in preparing for natural disasters, political unrest, and disruptions in supplies of food, water, and medical needs. As parents of a Type 1 Diabetic (without insulin, she dies), we've thought through different scenarios and how we would deal with them. Mostly, we have built up several months of insulin, insulin pump supplies, and testing supplies. As a family of nine we also try to keep a full pantry and have extra drinking water on hand. That's not what I'm talking about here. I'm talking about folks who are thinking they will be fleeing God's judgement of the wicked around them.

I have to ask myself a few questions regarding believers who think they're 'preparing' for 'what's coming':

  • Have these people actually read the Revelation? If the things described there are literal, future events, do they really thing that their water-purification tablets are going to un-foul that which God Almighty fouls? Or that they may somehow escape the plagues described by applying or inhaling their essential oils (again, don't get me wrong here - I have essential oils in our home for cleaning and minor health care)? Do they think that being buried alive in a tomb of their own creation is better than to be taken Home in some apocalyptic event (if, indeed, that is how things go down)?

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  • Are those 'guarding' their caches of supplies with arms thinking through the implications of arming themselves? How does 'If your neighbor asks for your coat give him your cloak also' translate into, 'shoot anyone who tries to steal your supplies'? Are you prepared to shoot those who may not be believers and send them prematurely to hell? Are you prepared to shoot your brothers/sisters in Christ to ensure your own survival? Do you shoot their children too so that yours have a better chance at survival? Those with the biggest guns get the food? Again, please don't misunderstand - I'm not even anti-gun - I think we have a right to defend ourselves from intruders with ill-intent, and I'm a Mama Bear, but if I have to shoot, I'm shooting to disable, not to kill, and then I'm going to tell What's-his-name about Jesus and His Good News when I get the chance! That's simply not an option to the prepper mentality, because to wound means the wounded person will not only take food, but also precious medical supplies and time that could be better spent tending to one's hydroponic garden. It's better to kill and bury, yes? Reconcile that with the Gospel - OR the Law, for those so inclined!

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  • Back to a more spiritual view - how does focusing on the 'coming judgement of the wicked', which is AN interpretation of the Final Things (see Hebrews 9:28 - " . . . so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him."), going to affect how you view those around you who don't know Christ? Are you going out and loving them into the Kingdom, sharing the Good News of the finished Work of Christ and what He did to redeem them or are you looking at them more as enemies and just wishing that Jesus 'would come already and deal with these people'?

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  • Lastly, I see where one's focus becomes very introspective - what must I do to 'get ready'? Scripture does call for a degree of self-examination ('examine yourselves to see if you're in the faith'), but those who become preoccupied with apocalyptic scenarios are often driven by a combination of religious zeal and fear. The focus goes off of Christ, Who He is and who we are in Him, and goes on ourselves and what we must 'do', combined with a growing judgementalism of those who don't yet know Christ. They start holding those who are not in Christ to a unreasonable righteous standard. Instead of showing the 'lost' how to be 'found', they judge them and isolate themselves from them. "God's gonna judge this country for its sin!" Well, God already judged sin at the Cross in His own flesh, Christ Jesus and Scripture says this about that and what our response is supposed to be:

16 So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer. 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!

18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation:

19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them.

And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.

20 We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us.

We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God.

21 God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. (from 2 Cor. 5)


So are we the kind of ambassadors of the message of reconciliation that God desires and envisions for us to be?

Or are we just wanting to hide, trying to figure out for how much longer we'll have to 'endure' until Jesus comes back for us and God judges 'all those wicked people out there'?

-JGIG
A lot of what you are saying here is true -- I agree.

However, it is also true that - a proper understanding of the End Times Scenario will "dispel and dispense with" most of these things that people are doing -- or, at the very least, they will go about it with the proper attitude and perspective...

What most Christians do not understand -- but should -- is that - at some point in the future, the destiny of the absolute majority of the Christians on the earth will be to be beheaded for not accepting the mark of the beast.

This is what they need to prepare for ( 'spiritually' ) -- while - "in the meantime" - "doing the work" that God has for them to do...

Something else they do not understand is - that, because of the modern operating technology that Satan has at his disposal today - [ for as long as God allows it to continue, ] it can and will be used to track everyone on the planet. There is no place you can go, except possibly hundreds of feet below the surface of the earth, where you will be able to escape being tracked and found by "the enemy"...

So then - what I am saying is - a study of the End Times Scenario can / does have its proper place in the life of a Christian. With 'balance' - yes - this is important. However, it should not be ignored completely -- for, it can - and will, if properly understood - actually "set straight" the attitude and priorities of a Christian in his / her walk with God "in these modern times"...

I believe that a proper understanding of the End Times Scenario - and, thereby knowing what is coming upon the face of this earth - and, that it is "totally and completely worthless" to allow themselves to be "caught up in the worldly way" - will tend to cause a Christian to "let go of the world" and get as close to God as they possibly can.

A mature Christian will provide for and protect his family --- until the 'end' -- when he will lay down his life for the Glory of God. A mature Christian understands just exactly 'when' this will occur...

Until then, he will "fight the fight" ( which is a 'spiritual' battle, not a 'physical' one ).

The place where a Christian should be is where-ever God wants him / her to be - doing what-ever God wants him / her to be doing - accomplishing what-ever God is trying to accomplish through him / her --- until the 'end'...

Somehow, I do not imagine that God wants for any / many to simply "run and hide"...

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It doesnt surprise me either Acts 2:17 …16but this is what was spoken of through the prophet Joel: 17'AND IT SHALL BE IN THE LAST DAYS,' God says, 'THAT I WILL POUR FORTH OF MY SPIRIT ON ALL MANKIND; AND YOUR SONS AND YOUR DAUGHTERS SHALL PROPHESY, AND YOUR YOUNG MEN SHALL SEE VISIONS, AND YOUR OLD MEN SHALL DREAM DREAMS; 18EVEN ON MY BONDSLAVES, BOTH MEN AND WOMEN, I WILL IN THOSE DAYS POUR FORTH OF MY SPIRIT And they shall prophesy.…

Big problem with trying to use Acts 2 to make a case for everybody and their brother being Holy Spirit prophets of God is that Acts 2 is explicitly about the coming of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost,

Acts 2:15-17 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God,I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams.
 
Big problem with trying to use Acts 2 to make a case for everybody and their brother being Holy Spirit prophets of God is that Acts 2 is explicitly about the coming of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost,

Acts 2:15-17 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God,I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams.
I dont think it makes you a prophet, a prophet is someone who hears the voice of God and repeats the message to the church, he also can recieve dreams and visions but so can the body of Christ. However only a prophet can hear the voice of the Lord and receive a message from God to tell the church.

Being a prophet has to be one of the hardest jobs in the church because you are held accountable for your every word, a prophet must only repeat what God told them and if they add their own words they are in trouble.
Plus the fact at how prophets were always the most hated and mocked of all the ppl of God so you have to endure lots of that as well
 
Another common sense question that may be worth asking, given any true word of God would be scripture material: would the Lord wait until 2014, to begin adding new chapters to scripture by anybody who writes a book or has a website, or posts in a web forum, or has some dream, despite forbidding to add to prophecies in Revelation? The Lord deprived all previous Christian generations of these additions to His word? (You could ask the same question of all the cults with extra-Biblical "prophets" the past couple hundred years, who've, actually, proven frauds.) Or, is somebody churning out best selling books or DVDs the behavior of a holy man of God, what, selling the Lord's new scripture?
 
Another common sense question that may be worth asking, given any true word of God would be scripture material: would the Lord wait until 2014, to begin adding new chapters to scripture by anybody who writes a book or has a website, or posts in a web forum, or has some dream, despite forbidding to add to prophecies in Revelation? The Lord deprived all previous Christian generations of these additions to His word? (You could ask the same question of all the cults with extra-Biblical "prophets" the past couple hundred years, who've, actually, proven frauds.) Or, is somebody churning out best selling books or DVDs the behavior of a holy man of God, what, selling the Lord's new scripture?
I dont think the blood moons thing is adding to scripture its fulfilling it, and as for the dreams and visions God said this would happen but he did not clarify the details of the dreams he would give. all the ones he showed me were to warn me of what is coming to to be prepared it was not to add to scripture. He always warns his children before disaster strikes thats all that he is doing with me
 
First tetrad coincided with Israel becoming a NATION.

The next tetrad coincided with Israel claiming JERUSALEM

(you see a pattern: getting the state, getting the city...)

And the next tetrad *may* have to do with the 3rd Temple if we follow the pattern.
 
Would the Lord even allow a Pandora's box of willy-nilly prophesy out there? Could this be the very reason there is fixed scripture of the Holy Spirit in the first place, the truth that all the so-called modern future prophets and cults are proven frauds?
 
It doesnt surprise me either Acts 2:17 …16but this is what was spoken of through the prophet Joel: 17'AND IT SHALL BE IN THE LAST DAYS,' God says, 'THAT I WILL POUR FORTH OF MY SPIRIT ON ALL MANKIND; AND YOUR SONS AND YOUR DAUGHTERS SHALL PROPHESY, AND YOUR YOUNG MEN SHALL SEE VISIONS, AND YOUR OLD MEN SHALL DREAM DREAMS; 18EVEN ON MY BONDSLAVES, BOTH MEN AND WOMEN, I WILL IN THOSE DAYS POUR FORTH OF MY SPIRIT And they shall prophesy.…
In the book, A History of the End of the World I learned that these claims have been made over many generations. They were cited in the New Testament because the people then believed the end times were upon them. They were wrong. This is not the first generation to make such claims.
 
In the book, A History of the End of the World I learned that these claims have been made over many generations. They were cited in the New Testament because the people then believed the end times were upon them. They were wrong. This is not the first generation to make such claims.

Our Lord Jesus, when on earth, stated He did not know the day or the hour, 100% of all future prophecies with elapsed dates are utterly failed, which, to my mind, is a miserable record to build on, you think?
 
Would the Lord even allow a Pandora's box of willy-nilly prophesy out there? Could this be the very reason there is fixed scripture of the Holy Spirit in the first place, the truth that all the so-called modern future prophets and cults are proven frauds?
If your referring to my dreams and visions of the near future as warnings I dont think those are prophecies just warning. I asked him to show me the things to come and he answered
 
In the book, A History of the End of the World I learned that these claims have been made over many generations. They were cited in the New Testament because the people then believed the end times were upon them. They were wrong. This is not the first generation to make such claims.
I cannot make you see these things and I am done trying to give you some sort of proof, we will just let time tell.
 
If your referring to my dreams and visions of the near future as warnings I dont think those are prophecies just warning. I asked him to show me the things to come and he answered

Why don't we just leave it you've cited Acts 2 as a reason for your having inspiration, when Peter was talking to his audience then and explicitly said the events of that Pentecost were the fulfillment of Joel.
 
Our Lord Jesus, when on earth, stated He did not know the day or the hour, 100% of all future prophecies with elapsed dates are utterly failed, which, to my mind, is a miserable record to build on, you think?
Yes, I do agree, and that was the point I was attempting to make with Blain.
 
First tetrad coincided with Israel becoming a NATION.
Radius, I have located a graph of lunar tetrad cycles beginning in 501 AD and continuing through to to 2500 AD. The present cycle began in the year 2000, so what are you talking about? What source are you using?

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Why don't we just leave it you've cited Acts 2 as a reason for your having inspiration, when Peter was talking to his audience then and explicitly said the events of that Pentecost were the fulfillment of Joel.
The reason I used that scripture is because it was for back then and today