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look as i said I dont expect you to understand and btw I already made my prediction the blood moons will speak for themselves, something major is going to happen and it will involve Israel.
Saying they will speak for themselves in not a prediction. That's an admission that you can't make a prediction. You hope this means something, I know, but as I said, I predict that this prophecy will pass into oblivion like all the ones before it. Nothing will happen. Now unless you can say something more specific I have to think you really have nothing to say at all. I think you are demonstrating that this astronomical phenomena predicts nothing. Unless you can make a prediction that pans out then how can your assumptions about the significance of these events mean anything at all?
 
The aritcle is not how I found how many times it has occured in the last 2,000 years I learned this from very deep study in bible prophecy, the world events in the past even before Jesus came and lots and lots Research on how the world events today pertain to bible prophecy in both the past the bible and the future.

You cannot know or undertsand these things unless you do all of this and do it with the help of the holy spirit otherwise you wont get very far.

To what end (no pun intended)?

-JGIG
 
The aritcle [from NASA] is not how I found how many times it has occured in the last 2,000 years I learned this from very deep study in bible prophecy....

You cannot know or undertsand these things unless you do all of this and do it with the help of the holy spirit otherwise you wont get very far.
Or for $29.95 you could purchase the book The Canon of Lunar Eclipses 1500 B.C. - A.D. 3000 which lists every lunar eclipse between these years. You could look up the number of lunar tetards that occurred over the last 2000 years and see how many will occur in the next thousand.
 
To what end (no pun intended)?

-JGIG
I think Blain is deeply interested in determining the date for the end times. I understand his fascination, but it's an endeavour that can only fail. Each generation seeks for itself and reuses all the same prophecies that failed in the past (there are only a limited number of biblical prophecies to select from). The history of this search is outlined in a very good book, A History of the End of the World. Anyone interested in end times prophecy, I think, would find it a fascinating read.
 
Saying they will speak for themselves in not a prediction. That's an admission that you can't make a prediction. You hope this means something, I know, but as I said, I predict that this prophecy will pass into oblivion like all the ones before it. Nothing will happen. Now unless you can say something more specific I have to think you really have nothing to say at all. I think you are demonstrating that this astronomical phenomena predicts nothing. Unless you can make a prediction that pans out then how can your assumptions about the significance of these events mean anything at all?
Again I say something major is going to happen and it will involve Israel, I cannot specify exactly what the event will be as I am not a prophet but I do know something is going to happen.
 
I think Blain is deeply interested in determining the date for the end times. I understand his fascination, but it's an endeavour that can only fail. Each generation seeks for itself and reuses all the same prophecies that failed in the past (there are only a limited number of biblical prophecies to select from). The history of this search is outlined in a very good book, A History of the End of the World. Anyone interested in end times prophecy, I think, would find it a fascinating read.
I am deeply interested in end time prophecy because these are the days we are living in, I am not seeking a date for the end times I am seeking to discern them and be spiritually prepared for them. I dont think God would have shown me future events in my prophetic dreams if he didnt want me to be prepared for them and trust me what is coming in the near future is not pretty.

I can sit here and try to explain to you all of this end time bible prophecy but it wouldnt do any good, at any rate I study and discern bible prophecy but I always make sure God is first and I always make sure to spend lots of time with him so dont think this stuff is what is important to me because its not at least not near as important to me as God is.
 
Blood moons and eclipses aren't rare phenomena. That's like saying, "The cows will howl and follow a lone shepherd as the clouds twist and thunder is heard. A devastating wind will crash down on the Earth and the end will make itself known."

What I described above is a tornado. If a tornado occurs, then another natural disaster that seems to mark the beginning of end times such as a hurricane occurs later that same year, would my prediction have been true? No, since tornadoes happen all the time. If there's ever a natural disaster, it's going to happen shortly around the time a tornado occurred somewhere.

Predicting things that are likely to happen isn't impressive. There's no doubt in my mind that we're going to get pulled into another long war with ISIS. I predict that within 10 years after the ISIS war, we'll be fighting another war overseas. If this is the case, would it make me a prophet? No. Because America has this issue where we can't go a decade without bombing someone somewhere.
 
Amen! I have noticed that some people who talk mostly about end times don't talk very much about the solution, the gospel of Jesus Christ, that he died for our sins and rose again on the third day!

Does that mean you reject the truth of ALL scripture being inspired and being profitable.....the reason most churches are a joke today is the simple fact that most are babes in Christ having been milked to death and salvation messaged to death!
Salvation is meant for the LOST and those who are saved need to be TAUGHT and matured....this is exactly why most will apo-hystamie from the truth because they will be ignorant because of the mentality found in your statement!
 
I am deeply interested in end time prophecy because these are the days we are living in, I am not seeking a date for the end times I am seeking to discern them and be spiritually prepared for them. I dont think God would have shown me future events in my prophetic dreams if he didnt want me to be prepared for them and trust me what is coming in the near future is not pretty.

I can sit here and try to explain to you all of this end time bible prophecy but it wouldnt do any good, at any rate I study and discern bible prophecy but I always make sure God is first and I always make sure to spend lots of time with him so dont think this stuff is what is important to me because its not at least not near as important to me as God is.

But what if you are wrong? I know you're 100% confident that you aren't wrong. But IF you are wrong, then you're refusal to look into the facts will only prevent you from knowing you're wrong if you do happen to be wrong. If you're so certain you're right, then you could only benefit from studying these occurrences because they would surely support your concerns - you shouldn't have anything to worry about if you know you're right.

Also, if humans are fallible, then maybe you should question yourself just in case you're misinterpreting God's word?
 
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True, but since about 25% of Scripture is prophecy it would be helpful if at least 10% of the sermons would cover such. I don't find here on CC an overdose of prophecy threads but I sure have seen an overdose of non essential threads.

No doubt and I agree...the reason most saved are spiritually immature and easily offended is because of being milked to death and or salvation messaged to death....ALL scripture is inspired and profitable...Salvation is meant for the lost and most in the Lord's churches are saved and need to be taught the WHOLE council of God.......statements as found in post 15 make me want to spew......Keep the people in ignorance and get out an eye dropper and slowly feed them milk.....what a sickening, biblically ignorant statement for sure!
 
I hear what you're saying, but here's what I see happening with folks who put inordinate amounts of time into studying end times prophecies. The focus on the whens, hows, and whos, tend to lead to a propensity for 'prepping'. Depending on one's eschatological view, 'preppers' prepare for either a pre-rapture 'judgement' of the USA or for strapping in until a mid or post-trib rapture. These preparations go beyond simple food and water needs to stockpiling weapons and some buying land and choosing to live in isolated areas for when the time comes to 'bug out'. Some have primary homes and 'BOBs', 'Bug Out Bags', all ready to make flight to their rural retreats to ride out the Tribulation.

Please don't misunderstand me here - I believe that there is wisdom in preparing for natural disasters, political unrest, and disruptions in supplies of food, water, and medical needs. As parents of a Type 1 Diabetic (without insulin, she dies), we've thought through different scenarios and how we would deal with them. Mostly, we have built up several months of insulin, insulin pump supplies, and testing supplies. As a family of nine we also try to keep a full pantry and have extra drinking water on hand. That's not what I'm talking about here. I'm talking about folks who are thinking they will be fleeing God's judgement of the wicked around them.

I have to ask myself a few questions regarding believers who think they're 'preparing' for 'what's coming':

  • Have these people actually read the Revelation? If the things described there are literal, future events, do they really thing that their water-purification tablets are going to un-foul that which God Almighty fouls? Or that they may somehow escape the plagues described by applying or inhaling their essential oils (again, don't get me wrong here - I have essential oils in our home for cleaning and minor health care)? Do they think that being buried alive in a tomb of their own creation is better than to be taken Home in some apocalyptic event (if, indeed, that is how things go down)?

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  • Are those 'guarding' their caches of supplies with arms thinking through the implications of arming themselves? How does 'If your neighbor asks for your coat give him your cloak also' translate into, 'shoot anyone who tries to steal your supplies'? Are you prepared to shoot those who may not be believers and send them prematurely to hell? Are you prepared to shoot your brothers/sisters in Christ to ensure your own survival? Do you shoot their children too so that yours have a better chance at survival? Those with the biggest guns get the food? Again, please don't misunderstand - I'm not even anti-gun - I think we have a right to defend ourselves from intruders with ill-intent, and I'm a Mama Bear, but if I have to shoot, I'm shooting to disable, not to kill, and then I'm going to tell What's-his-name about Jesus and His Good News when I get the chance! That's simply not an option to the prepper mentality, because to wound means the wounded person will not only take food, but also precious medical supplies and time that could be better spent tending to one's hydroponic garden. It's better to kill and bury, yes? Reconcile that with the Gospel - OR the Law, for those so inclined!

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  • Back to a more spiritual view - how does focusing on the 'coming judgement of the wicked', which is AN interpretation of the Final Things (see Hebrews 9:28 - " . . . so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him."), going to affect how you view those around you who don't know Christ? Are you going out and loving them into the Kingdom, sharing the Good News of the finished Work of Christ and what He did to redeem them or are you looking at them more as enemies and just wishing that Jesus 'would come already and deal with these people'?

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  • Lastly, I see where one's focus becomes very introspective - what must I do to 'get ready'? Scripture does call for a degree of self-examination ('examine yourselves to see if you're in the faith'), but those who become preoccupied with apocalyptic scenarios are often driven by a combination of religious zeal and fear. The focus goes off of Christ, Who He is and who we are in Him, and goes on ourselves and what we must 'do', combined with a growing judgementalism of those who don't yet know Christ. They start holding those who are not in Christ to a unreasonable righteous standard. Instead of showing the 'lost' how to be 'found', they judge them and isolate themselves from them. "God's gonna judge this country for its sin!" Well, God already judged sin at the Cross in His own flesh, Christ Jesus and Scripture says this about that and what our response is supposed to be:

16 So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer. 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!

18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation:

19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them.

And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.

20 We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us.

We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God.

21 God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. (from 2 Cor. 5)


So are we the kind of ambassadors of the message of reconciliation that God desires and envisions for us to be?

Or are we just wanting to hide, trying to figure out for how much longer we'll have to 'endure' until Jesus comes back for us and God judges 'all those wicked people out there'?

-JGIG

A wise man sees evil coming a prepares for it<----In the bible and biblically proven....Jesus, Noah, Rahab, Joseph etc.
EVEN though the things will happen, God told the disciples dia Jesus when you see certain events FLEE to the place that has been prepared....I agree there are many fine lines and one can get a little over board, but having said that...If the Lord lays upon your heart to prepare then if you do not prepare is disobedience....I too have a son who is handicapped and the Lord has allowed me over 2 million dollars worth of supplies that he needs to sustain his life without me putting out one thin dime for it.....God can protect us from bloody and deceitful men and even God had the children of Israel keep the wall and defend the cities that they were in.....SOME will be ALIVE and remain unto the PAROUSIA of Jesus and to say this family or that group is unscriptural for preparing and or wrong for preparing is a judgment call that none of us can accurately make in my view.....I am sure the majority if not all thought Noah was a whack job for sure!
 
But what if you are wrong? I know you're 100% confident that you aren't wrong. But IF you are wrong, then you're refusal to look into the facts will only prevent you from knowing you're wrong if you do happen to be wrong. If you're so certain you're right, then you could only benefit from studying these occurrences because they would surely support your concerns - you shouldn't have anything to worry about if you know you're right.

Also, if humans are fallible, then maybe you should question yourself just in case you're misinterpreting God's word?
If im wrong im wrong it wont effect my faith but these things will happen even if it doesnt with the blood moons so regardless of the timing of them they are going to happen.

Im not the kind of person to stubbornly hold on to my specific beliefs and doctrines I am always open for God to teach me even if it means I was wrong and have to let go of a belief I am very strong in. But i am not making these claims from my own thoughts or views I am making these claims of the evidence of their history in the past.

I used to believe in an imminent rapture that it could happen at any second of any day, but I said to God that I want to know the truth about this imminent doctrine even if it means I am wrong and have to let go of my belief and after months of asking he finally did and it turns out i was wrong.
 
Again I say something major is going to happen and it will involve Israel, I cannot specify exactly what the event will be as I am not a prophet but I do know something is going to happen.
Given the turmoil of the Middle East everyone is predicting something will happen involving Israel. I agree something will happen, sometime. We haven't seen the end of troubles there yet. You don't need biblical prophecy to predict this one. So we all agree there is going to be trouble between the Jews and the Muslims once again. Probably there will be yet another war, but unless you can specifically predict a particular chain of events then you can't claim a success with biblical prophecy. Trouble in the Middle East involving the Jews? That's a no-brainer.
 
If im wrong im wrong it wont effect my faith but these things will happen even if it doesnt with the blood moons so regardless of the timing of them they are going to happen.

But you just claimed that the blood moons are going to play a role in the prophecy. So let's get the discrepancy ironed out!

"look as i said I dont expect you to understand and btw I already made my prediction the blood moons will speak for themselves, something major is going to happen and it will involve Israel."

Cycel's response to you sums up everything else I had to say.
 
Given the turmoil of the Middle East everyone is predicting something will happen involving Israel. I agree something will happen, sometime. We haven't seen the end of troubles there yet. You don't need biblical prophecy to predict this one. So we all agree there is going to be trouble between the Jews and the Muslims once again. Probably there will be yet another war, but unless you can specifically predict a particular chain of events then you can't claim a success with biblical prophecy. Trouble in the Middle East involving the Jews? That's a no-brainer.
Your asking me to give a specific event that I think will happen? your asking something that only a prophet of God who is told by him himself could do I am not a prophet.

If you read the entire bible you will see that everything that is happening in the world was in fact predicted in the bible, all the issues with israel all the famines and pestilence the beheading of Christians the the turmoil in the middle east even most of the stuff on the news.

The entire bible prophecies in every book of the bible are in fact happening right in front of our eyes and honestly unless you have the eyes to see this I simply cannot help you.
 
But you just claimed that the blood moons are going to play a role in the prophecy. So let's get the discrepancy ironed out!

"look as i said I dont expect you to understand and btw I already made my prediction the blood moons will speak for themselves, something major is going to happen and it will involve Israel."

Cycel's response to you sums up everything else I had to say.
you asked what if I was wrong and I told you what my response If I was wrong. But im pretty sure im not considering what has happened every time these tetrads appeared
 
God always forewarn His children, even if He had to come down personally to tell them.

Gen 18:16 When the men got up to leave, they looked down toward Sodom, and Abraham walked along with them to see them on their way. 17 Then the Lord said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do?

Matthew 16:1 The Pharisees and Sadducees came to Jesus and tested him by asking him to show them a sign from heaven.

Matthew 16:3 and in the morning, ‘Today it will be stormy, for the sky is red and overcast.’ You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times.
 
I am deeply interested in end time prophecy because these are the days we are living in, I am not seeking a date for the end times...
I stand corrected.

Blain said:
I am seeking to discern them and be spiritually prepared for them. I dont think God would have shown me future events in my prophetic dreams if he didnt want me to be prepared for them and trust me what is coming in the near future is not pretty.
You've had prophetic dreams? It is not surprising you've had dreams about this given your preoccupation with the subject, but how do you know the dreams are prophetic and are not just ordinary dreams?

Blain said:
... I study and discern bible prophecy but I always make sure God is first and I always make sure to spend lots of time with him so dont think this stuff is what is important to me because its not at least not near as important to me as God is.
People dream about things that preoccupy us during our waking hours. I’ve experienced this myself. This doesn't surprise me that you have dreams about the end times and about God.