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Kerry
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No offense to crossnote, but I had hydrophobia once and it was a bad thing, but then I realized while I was taking a shower that it was okay. So I am clean now and no longer stink.
Four blood: moons much to do about nothing.
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JesusIsAll
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I have passed this post several times and I have to correct this. Sorry about that irrational compulsion. It is "much ado about nothing".
Oh. A wise guy, eh?
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JesusIsAll
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Kerry
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Was that when you 'saw the light' or were baptized?
It's when my three older brothers said sink or swim, I was baptized immediately. Cause my brother Darrell said are gonna through him and my other brother Darrell said yes . No that's not true, they did throw me in though.
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JesusIsAll
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'Eschatology'? Is that the study of e-skats?
I haven't the foggiest what e-skats are, so you should probably start another thread for people to debate this topic. If nobody else knows anything, it's good for at least a couple hundred pages of whether e-skats are under the law or grace.
I hear what you're saying, but here's what I see happening with folks who put inordinate amounts of time into studying end times prophecies. The focus on the whens, hows, and whos, tend to lead to a propensity for 'prepping'. Depending on one's eschatological view, 'preppers' prepare for either a pre-rapture 'judgement' of the USA or for strapping in until a mid or post-trib rapture. These preparations go beyond simple food and water needs to stockpiling weapons and some buying land and choosing to live in isolated areas for when the time comes to 'bug out'. Some have primary homes and 'BOBs', 'Bug Out Bags', all ready to make flight to their rural retreats to ride out the Tribulation.
Please don't misunderstand me here - I believe that there is wisdom in preparing for natural disasters, political unrest, and disruptions in supplies of food, water, and medical needs. As parents of a Type 1 Diabetic (without insulin, she dies), we've thought through different scenarios and how we would deal with them. Mostly, we have built up several months of insulin, insulin pump supplies, and testing supplies. As a family of nine we also try to keep a full pantry and have extra drinking water on hand. That's not what I'm talking about here. I'm talking about folks who are thinking they will be fleeing God's judgement of the wicked around them.
I have to ask myself a few questions regarding believers who think they're 'preparing' for 'what's coming':
- Have these people actually read the Revelation? If the things described there are literal, future events, do they really thing that their water-purification tablets are going to un-foul that which God Almighty fouls? Or that they may somehow escape the plagues described by applying or inhaling their essential oils (again, don't get me wrong here - I have essential oils in our home for cleaning and minor health care)? Do they think that being buried alive in a tomb of their own creation is better than to be taken Home in some apocalyptic event (if, indeed, that is how things go down)?
. - Are those 'guarding' their caches of supplies with arms thinking through the implications of arming themselves? How does 'If your neighbor asks for your coat give him your cloak also' translate into, 'shoot anyone who tries to steal your supplies'? Are you prepared to shoot those who may not be believers and send them prematurely to hell? Are you prepared to shoot your brothers/sisters in Christ to ensure your own survival? Do you shoot their children too so that yours have a better chance at survival? Those with the biggest guns get the food? Again, please don't misunderstand - I'm not even anti-gun - I think we have a right to defend ourselves from intruders with ill-intent, and I'm a Mama Bear, but if I have to shoot, I'm shooting to disable, not to kill, and then I'm going to tell What's-his-name about Jesus and His Good News when I get the chance! That's simply not an option to the prepper mentality, because to wound means the wounded person will not only take food, but also precious medical supplies and time that could be better spent tending to one's hydroponic garden. It's better to kill and bury, yes? Reconcile that with the Gospel - OR the Law, for those so inclined!
. - Back to a more spiritual view - how does focusing on the 'coming judgement of the wicked', which is AN interpretation of the Final Things (see Hebrews 9:28 - " . . . so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him."), going to affect how you view those around you who don't know Christ? Are you going out and loving them into the Kingdom, sharing the Good News of the finished Work of Christ and what He did to redeem them or are you looking at them more as enemies and just wishing that Jesus 'would come already and deal with these people'?
. - Lastly, I see where one's focus becomes very introspective - what must I do to 'get ready'? Scripture does call for a degree of self-examination ('examine yourselves to see if you're in the faith'), but those who become preoccupied with apocalyptic scenarios are often driven by a combination of religious zeal and fear. The focus goes off of Christ, Who He is and who we are in Him, and goes on ourselves and what we must 'do', combined with a growing judgementalism of those who don't yet know Christ. They start holding those who are not in Christ to a unreasonable righteous standard. Instead of showing the 'lost' how to be 'found', they judge them and isolate themselves from them. "God's gonna judge this country for its sin!" Well, God already judged sin at the Cross in His own flesh, Christ Jesus and Scripture says this about that and what our response is supposed to be:
16 So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer. 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!
18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation:
19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them.
And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
20 We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us.
We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God.
21 God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. (from 2 Cor. 5)
18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation:
19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them.
And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
20 We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us.
We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God.
21 God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. (from 2 Cor. 5)
So are we the kind of ambassadors of the message of reconciliation that God desires and envisions for us to be?
Or are we just wanting to hide, trying to figure out for how much longer we'll have to 'endure' until Jesus comes back for us and God judges 'all those wicked people out there'?
-JGIG
Well me personally I dont prep with stocking food water and supplies I prep my heart and faith so when this all does happen I will be more than prepared. I have so many medical needs and I will die without my medicine so if the apocalypse happened and the tribulation begins and God's wrath and judgement comes raining down on earth and i am still here in all likely hood I could not get my daily medication needs.
However I believe God has it in the works, we shouldnt be prepping with food and water and such as for all we know our houses or wherever we stock this could get blown up or destroyed, we should be prepping with our hearts and our faith.
Studying end time prophecy is a very Good thing as long as we keep God as our main focus, however I have seen ppl take it too far. They lose focus of God and are seeking signs that arent there and misinterpret scripture because they see only what they want to see and they give false prophecies believing it was God speaking to them.
The book of Daniel, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Hosea and revelations have been coming true for years but in the last 20 years they have been being fulfilled on a more rapid pace. And soon enough its going to unfold on an unbelievable scale people will no longer doubt about the prophecies and about the end times and it isnt gong to be fun either.
How many prophecies do we see in the daily news? I see many being fulfilled daily, I see pestilence and starvation world wide I see so much killings and evil and sinful acts like rape and stealing. I see a great lack of love and I see America has become a mass of sinning drinking lying proud boasting, sexual immoralities-in short it has become exactly as Sodem and Gomorrah, everyone is trying to split the land of Israel and are attacking it from all sides and there is a peace treaty to be made with many in the works many are saying peace and security water is turning blood red- Need I go on?
Honestly if anyone thinks we arent at the end of the end of days they clearly have not seen the news and read their bible
We speak for them in that they are totally predictable astronomical events. We know the place, date, and time of each occurrence and predict even the type of event – blood moon or partial eclipse – hundreds of years before each occurs. Myself, I have seen so many blood moons that I have lost track and I knew each was going to happen. In fact they now seem like such common events that I don't even get upset when cloud cover conceals the phenomena. Blain, they are only mysterious to those who don't understand why they occur (that would be your Bronze Age biblical writers). How can an event that occurs precisely on time in the place predicted be a portent of anything?
Because God even said that the sun the moon and the stars would be for signs and for the seasons, and yes there are many blood moons but four blood moons happening exactly on Jewish feast days if far different than an ordinary blood moon.
Unless you study bible prophecy and studied how these blood moon tetrads appeared on specific events in bible prophecy I wouldnt expect you to understand.
Blain, it’s happened many times. A blood moon is simply another name given to a total lunar eclipse. I believe up to five can occur each year and never fewer than two. So called blood moons are less common but I have lost track of how many I have seen. Oh, do you know why they appear as reddish?
“Due to its reddish color, a total eclipse of the moon is sometimes referred to as a blood moon. In addition, in the 2010s the media started to associate the term ‘blood moon’ with the four full moons of a lunar tetrad, especially the 2014-2015 tetrad coinciding with the feasts of Passover and Tabernacles. A lunar tetrad is a consecutive sequence of four lunar eclipses, spaced six months apart.” (Wikipedia: Lunar Eclipse)
Note, the lunar tetrad has occurred so many times there is a name for it. “During the 21st century, there are 8 sets of tetrads, so I would describe tetrads as a frequent occurrence in the current pattern of lunar eclipses,” says Fred Espenak, a NASA scientist. They don’t always occur with great frequency, however, and there can be long stretches without them, but throughout history they have been common enough. There is nothing extraordinary about them. Scientists, as you can see, can tell us exactly when they will occur. The next total eclipse is set for Oct. 8, 2014, so mark your calendar.
A Tetrad of Lunar Eclipses - NASA Science
A true portent would be a total eclipse that occurred when it wasn’t predicted. For that to happen God would have to intervene to change the Moon’s orbit. These clockwork eclipses don’t tell you anything.
Considering that this four blood moon tetrad has only appeared 8 times in the last 2,000 years i wouldnt exactly call that common.
Tetrads of four sequential lunar eclipses with no intervening partial lunar eclipses occurs 6 other times in this century, but this is the only time it occurs on the Jewish holy days of Passover and Feast of Tabernacles.
The last time that four blood red moons occurred together was in 1967-1968, probably related to the recapture of Jerusalem by Israel. The time that the tetrad occurred before this was in 1949-1950, probably related to Israel becoming a nation. Before this time, the last occurrence was 1493-1494, probably related to the expulsion of the Jews from Spain.
Since 1 AD, a "Biblical tetrad" has occurred on these holy days a total of 7 times. In 2014-2015, it will be the 8th time. It won't occur again for another 500 years.
These three events where the blood moon tetrads appeared on the holy days were each predicted in the bible, now either the bible just got super lucky in predicting these things or something biblical is going on.
Not to mention these
"Immediately after the distress of those days "'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'
Mark 13:24
"But in those days, following that distress, "'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light;
Luke 21:25
"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea.
Acts 2:20
The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
Revelation 6:12
I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red,
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD comes.
In between these blood moon tetrads it just so happens the sun will be darkened, no i dont know about you but that sounds awefully similar to the scriptures and I doubt its a coincidence as I dont believe in coincidence.
If a major prophetic event happened every time the blood moon tetrads appeared on the holy days in the past then as history always repeats itself then these blood moons will speak for themselves.
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No coincidence the tetrads have occurred on Jewish holidays. I don't see how anybody could even think to question the significance of these cycles.
All total eclipses are ordinary.
How many times can the same prophecy be cited as pertaining to end time events. Multiple times apparently. You think this is the first time eclipses have occurred on these calendar dates? There’s a good book entitled A History of the End of the World that puts it all in perspective.Blain said:
I will make a prediction. I predict nothing momentous heralding the end of the world will happen. Your turn. Make your biblical prediction. Let's see whose right?
Well there are several reasons as to why people question it, for some God hasnt revealed it to them yet after all you have to have studied bible prophecy pretty deep to know and understand all this, plus Cycel isnt a Christian so true understanding of scripture and bible prophecy will remain hidden from his eyes. Im not being mean or judgemental thats just how this works, unless we have a heart fully for God and fully in love with him there is a sort of barrier in a none believers eyes with scriptures and things of God
look as i said I dont expect you to understand and btw I already made my prediction the blood moons will speak for themselves, something major is going to happen and it will involve Israel.All total eclipses are ordinary.
How many times can the same prophecy be cited as pertaining to end time events. Multiple times apparently. You think this is the first time eclipses have occurred on these calendar dates? There’s a good book entitled A History of the End of the World that puts it all in perspective.
I will make a prediction. I predict nothing momentous heralding the end of the world will happen. Your turn. Make your biblical prediction. Let's see whose right?
That is not what the article says. It only describes this particular set of lunar tetrads. It doesn't say how many occurred in the past and it certainly doesn't say that this has never happened before.
The aritcle is not how I found how many times it has occured in the last 2,000 years I learned this from very deep study in bible prophecy, the world events in the past even before Jesus came and lots and lots Research on how the world events today pertain to bible prophecy in both the past the bible and the future.
You cannot know or undertsand these things unless you do all of this and do it with the help of the holy spirit otherwise you wont get very far.