Faith without works..........

[homwardbound]

So faith alone is or is not sufficient for salvation?

Faith has an object. Whatever anyone's object of faith is: If the faith is of God Father and Son, then one learns new and gets set free, to love all naturally as God has presently done through Son for us all to do the same in love and mercy
We love because God first loved us
Add works of flesh and one gets trapped and can't love in truth only tries t and get messed up

 

[Nedsk]

No, it is not that we need to add our works in addition to our faith as if faith alone were insufficient but that being a doer of good works is the way to embody our faith. A couple can be alone apart from the company of others while not being alone apart from the company of each other, so some can be alone and not alone at the same time in different senses. The sense that we are saved by faith alone is the sense that there are no works that we are required to have done first in order to earn our salvation as the result. We can’t even earn our salvation even as the result of perfect obedience, so that is not the significance of our works, but rather the significance is that it is the way to have faith.

Embody our faith? If faith is sufficient then our faith doesn't need embodiment. Are we clear about what sufficient actually means?

 

[memberofthebride]

So people no longer sin when they are born again? Free will ceases once you are born again?

MY comment;
Jesus Christ is the only human, and all humans have human nature, that never sinned. All have sinned and come short of the Glory of God. and will until resurrected with the same spirit body as Christ has now.

Philippians 3
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

Those called of the Father in which is the Father's spirit, can and do sin. As long as sin is honestly repented of they are washed away by the Blood of Christ

Paul said, without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins.

 

[Nedsk]

Today it is no longer about sin/ God took away sin through Son's last shed blood sacrifice for us all. What, but I just sinned again, I need more forgiveness
Really? From God? So Son's one time sacrifice was not good enough, it is not done, sin is not taken away in Father's sight for us by Son? And he is not risen where new life is a gift to us. ready to be received from God as the gift to be thankful in?
Yes it is, yet , what if one sins again?
Do I, you need to be forgiven again and again or do I, you remain still forgiven by God, is Sin taken away or not John 1:29 from God? It is finished by Son John 19:30 That got done first for us all being under Law, where no other flesh could ever be perfect, no, not one, but Son Jesus for us all "Done in Son" Either a thank you or I got to do more? It is either done or it is not, read 1 Cor 15

So, God by Son the two as Won (One) for us all to be born new and love all in God's Spirit and Truth, regardless of what others do or not do, includes me. John 19:30, 2 Cor 5:16-22
It is, the love of God that won and wins over evil period. Jesus Won! Was that for us all or for himself, maybe just a few, NOT a few!, Done once for us all, Hebrews 10:10. Since Jesus and Father are perfect, there is/was no need for that sacrifice other than to save us all, (In the resurrected life of Jesus in God Father's Spirit and Truth alone) since God requires perfection to enter, Jesus is the one time sacrifice for all. That does not save anyone, the death. It reconciles all as forgiven first, then new life sets in and grows us up into maturity eating meat over just drinking milk, Hebrews 5:12-6:6.
John 16:33 John 19:30, Satan defeated at the resurrected Son Jesus. Now Father waits in love and mercy to all for all flesh to be put under Son's feet, each willingly worshipping this done work for us all Wow is me!!!!!!!!! those tat see just love all. as God has shown by Son first to us all.

Then one, many, hopefully all will be so busy in the new life of Love, there is no more time for sin again, being too busy worshipping God 24/7 no matter where one anyone might be daily.

Trusting God to reveal all the truth, nothing but the truth that sets people free in love and mercy to all too

So sin ceases to be a concern once someone is saved?

 

[Jordon]

So sin ceases to be a concern once someone is saved?

quite the opposite it becomes less of a worry ,

 

[Nedsk]

Faith has an object. Whatever anyone's object of faith is: If the faith is of God Father and Son, then one learns new and gets set free, to love all naturally as God has presently done through Son for us all to do the same in love and mercy
We love because God first loved us
Add works of flesh and one gets trapped and can't love in truth only tries t and get messed up

I don't mean to be a pest but does that mean faith alone is or is not sufficient for salvation?

 

[Nedsk]

MY comment;
Jesus Christ is the only human, and all humans have human nature, that never sinned. All have sinned and come short of the Glory of God. and will until resurrected with the same spirit body as Christ has now.

Philippians 3
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

Those called of the Father in which is the Father's spirit, can and do sin. As long as sin is honestly repented of they are washed away by the Blood of Christ

Paul said, without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins.

Is that a yes or a no?

 

[Nedsk]

quite the opposite it becomes less of a worry ,

So less of a worry but not worry-free. Do people still sin after being saved?

 

[homwardbound]

So sin ceases to be a concern once someone is saved?

As one, anyone grows up into maturity, one sees sin as over, which only Father reveals this truth as needed to know as one grows new to receive it from God personally then one will not take it for granted
John 1:29, John 19:30 Finished. Taken away by God through Son
So we can be given the new life in the risen Son, Jesus for us each personally, between God and the person. These, walk new in love and mercy to all too!, naturally, no More a have to or else religious teachings.
That is the part of growing up, when anyone sincerely believes God
Paul talks of thier are those sincere and those not sincere. Where he states "I" will glory in both!
Why? "Christ is preachedYou see it is Father in Spirit and Truth that des the growing up for each one sincere, thanks

I am or no one else is better than anyone else. God remains having no respect of people as to no one better than anyone else
Jesus equaled the playing field here on earth. All are forgiven 2 Cor 5:16-22

 

[Jordon]

So less of a worry but not worry-free. Do people still sin after being saved?

God makes the covenants with his people, the old is about promises and laws leading to the fulfilment in the new, that all comes about though his grace and his word speaking in your heart , so it is by his grace you are saved by the lords faith planted in your heart.

Theres no need to worry about sin what so ever, as your forgiven once your saved

Its more of a case of ruling over sin.

 

[Nedsk]

As one, anyone grows up into maturity, one sees sin as over, which only Father reveals this truth as needed to know as one grows new to receive it from God personally then one will not take it for granted
John 1:29, John 19:30 Finished. Taken away by God through Son
So we can be given the new life in the risen Son, Jesus for us each personally, between God and the person. These, walk new in love and mercy to all too!, naturally, no More a have to or else religious teachings.
That is the part of growing up, when anyone sincerely believes God
Paul talks of thier are those sincere and those not sincere. Where he states "I" will glory in both!
Why? "Christ is preachedYou see it is Father in Spirit and Truth that des the growing up for each one sincere, thanks

I am or no one else is better than anyone else. God remains having no respect of people as to no one better than anyone else
Jesus equaled the playing field here on earth. All are forgiven 2 Cor 5:16-22

Seeing sin as over isn't that same as sin being over is it? Do people continue to sin once they are saved?

 

[Jordon]

Seeing sin as over isn't that same as sin being over is it? Do people continue to sin once they are saved?

are you asking for yourself or other people ?

 

[Nedsk]

God makes the covenants with his people, the old is about promises and laws leading to the fulfilment in the new, that all comes about though his grace and his word speaking in your heart , so it is by his grace you are saved by the lords faith planted in your heart.

Theres no need to worry about sin what so ever, as your forgiven once your saved

Its more of a case of ruling over sin.

So no need to worry that I might sin? Sin doesn't disappear people just don't have to worry about it anymore is that it?

 

[Nedsk]

are you asking for yourself or other people ?

I am asking for all of us.

 

[Jordon]

So no need to worry that I might sin? Sin doesn't disappear people just don't have to worry about it anymore is that it?

Yes you don't have to worry about sin any more as when your saved you future sins are forgiven to

 

[Jordon]

I am asking for all of us.

There are more verses that show your future sins are forgiven once saved, here's a couple

Hebrews 10:14 and John 1:29

 

[homwardbound]

I don't mean to be a pest but does that mean faith alone is or is not sufficient for salvation?

2 cor 12:7-10
Do that also, between Father and you too. Stand willing to learn from Father and Son living in you, that began on the first day you decided to believe Father and Son as risen for you. Eph 1:13 to see verse 6.7 To understand Phil 1:6
See Col 1:21-23 Stand therefore, it is done for you by God through Son for you John 19:30 It is true God loves us all
1 John 2:1-27

 

[Nedsk]

There are more verses that show your future sins are forgiven once saved, here's a couple

Hebrews 10:14 and John 1:29

So I can rob a bank and that sin is forgiven?

 

[homwardbound]

Seeing sin as over isn't that same as sin being over is it? Do people continue to sin once they are saved?

Yes, all have as many stop once Strat growing up?
Phil 1:6 Phil 3:1-20
You , I trust God to reveal to you how and why people are caught up and ripped in sin

Religion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What???????????????????

The original meaning g of religion, that is no more revealed in dictionaries.
Religion = What a person does or not does to get a deity to be pleased by thier doing(s) or not doing(s)
If God or people is pleased by what I do or not do, then I would be a God of God, would I not?
Now do you see what religion id doing using the Bible to be in charge over you

These people tell you the truth, and I say do as they do tel you the truth. Just do not do as they do, not obeying the truth themselves. These use truth to get rewards to themselves from the people. They sit in Moses's seat and lead. yet they might not be able to get in themselves. That is not to get me or others to judge who will and who won't. God will do that in God's timing not this worlds
Therefore learn from God personally and see new
Matthew 10:16-20, and learn Luke 21:14-15 as well Luke 18:9-14, Matthew 18:24-35
Those that take for granted and use this grace given to get away with things here on earth will not enter, per God

see tat last part of Matthew 18:24-35, and Luke 18:9-14

Those that are sincere between God and themselves will grow up into maturity and see not to argue, not fight over and let it be as each has free choice to choose or not choose to God in love and mercy given them through Son John 13:34
So love all, do not accuse or excuse anyone even abuse either anyone Romans 2:1-4

 

[Nedsk]

2 cor 12:7-10
Do that also, between Father and you too. Stand willing to learn from Father and Son living in you, that began on the first day you decided to believe Father and Son as risen for you. Eph 1:13 to see verse 6.7 To understand Phil 1:6
See Col 1:21-23 Stand therefore, it is done for you by God through Son for you John 19:30 It is true God loves us all
1 John 2:1-27

So you're saying faith is sufficient for salvation, correct? I don't understand why people can't just answer yes or no. It's either true or it's not. So when James says faith without works he means.....what?